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Brent Doss
(VistaMan) - F

Locale: SW Missouri
Food Planning on 03/03/2011 19:53:25 MST Print View

Great Article - I always bring food home, but less that in the past. One trip I returned home with more food than consumed on the hike - crazy VistaMan !
Leaving for 4 days on the Ozark Highlands Trail - 14 oz of food per day - I'm bringing a "backup/extra" zip-lock bag of food just in case - ??
Here is a link to a trailjournals entry by two PCT hikers 2010 - super info:
http://www.trailjournals.com/entry.cfm?id=332390

Mike Clelland
(mikeclelland) - MLife

Locale: The Tetons (via Idaho)
Hey - I wrote this article (like) two years ago! on 03/04/2011 11:33:46 MST Print View

Hey - I wrote this article (like) two years ago!

I really liked the ideas and insights in this article. In combo with the GROOVY BIOTIC COOKING article (from a while back) the reader has a LOT of info to use to improve backcountry eating!

LINK:
http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/quick_healthy_meals_with_an_ultralight_cook_kit.html

- also -

This article was re-vized and updated (slightly) for an upcoming book! Watch the shelves at your local book store!

Mike C!

Edited by mikeclelland on 03/04/2011 12:10:47 MST.

Doug I.
(idester) - MLife

Locale: MidAtlantic
Re: Hey - I wrote this article (like) two years ago! on 03/04/2011 11:39:51 MST Print View

"Hey - I wrote this article (like) two years ago!"

Perhaps it took Addie that long to make it readable? .....

James Marco
(jamesdmarco) - MLife

Locale: Finger Lakes
Re: Re: Hey - I wrote this article (like) two years ago! on 03/04/2011 12:27:12 MST Print View

"Hey - I wrote this article (like) two years ago!"

Perhaps it took Addie that long to make it readable? .....

Ha ha, it probably took her that long to decipher the glyphs.
Seriously, a good article.

After striving for many years to go lighter, consumables have not changed that much. Minimizing what you bring is really the only way to get it lighter, unless you *like* drinking large amounts of olive oil...

Tom Clark
(TomClark) - MLife

Locale: East Coast
Re: Re: Hey - I wrote this article (like) two years ago! on 03/05/2011 12:49:04 MST Print View

"Hey - I wrote this article (like) two years ago!"

Perhaps it took Addie that long to make it readable? .....

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Mike, it's a tough crowd here, but you must realize that by now. Looks like you had 2 of my key ingredients...olive oil and good spices!

No chocolate?

Tom J. Hart
(harttj) - MLife
Where's The Art Work! on 03/06/2011 04:14:52 MST Print View

Great article Mike. Wish you did stuff like this once a month at least. However, as I tweeted before, where is your fantastic artwork? I can't begin to describe how much more fun it is to read an article with your artwork as I have to really look at the pictures to see what you did to relate it to the article and what your great sense of humour did to make it that much more fun to look at. Wish I owned a publication that could hire you to draw and write full time.

Mike Clelland
(mikeclelland) - MLife

Locale: The Tetons (via Idaho)
cooking illustrations are sorta dull on 03/06/2011 09:18:32 MST Print View

To Tom J. Hart:
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THanks for the kind words!

Just so you know - There is a book due out within a month or so. THere is a good chapter on cooking and recipes. The book will be heavily illustrated, but cooking illustrations are sorta dull. Lot's more in the bear camping chapter.

Here is a link:
http://ultralightbackpackintips.blogspot.com/

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Note to the BPL web-master:
If this link is unwanted self promotion, just lemme know and I'll delete it promptly.

Larry Kutt
(larrykutt) - M

Locale: Boulder Colorado
Re: Food Planning Using Pounds Per Person Per Day on 03/06/2011 19:06:32 MST Print View

Hi Mary

I would love to see some of your recipes. I am with you - one pot, and no dishwashing. But I could use some variety in my meals and am looking for some ideas.

Larry Kutt
(larrykutt) - M

Locale: Boulder Colorado
Recipes on 03/07/2011 20:39:14 MST Print View

I would love to see some of your recipes for simple backcountry cooking. In fact I think a recipe exchange for one pot meals that only require boiling water would be one of the most useful features of Backpacking LIght.

Roger Caffin
(rcaffin) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
Re: Food Planning Using Pounds Per Person Per Day on 03/07/2011 20:48:29 MST Print View

> My goal is to ... walk out of the mountains with absolutely ZERO food.

Could be awkward if you were held up by a flooded river for a day ... or someone had an accident which halved the speed of walking.

Cheers

Mike Clelland
(mikeclelland) - MLife

Locale: The Tetons (via Idaho)
Reply to Roger: on 03/07/2011 21:15:55 MST Print View

Reply to Roger:
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Your question gets answered. Scroll down to the sub-head:

But What if You Run Out of Food?

peace from Idaho,
Mike C!

Roger Caffin
(rcaffin) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
Re: Reply to Roger: on 03/07/2011 22:52:52 MST Print View

Hi Mike

Yes, I read that. But some people suffer from hypoglycemia, and can't afford to run out of food. Others (not me) suffer from diabetes, with similar problems. Life just isn't that simple.

Cheers
(edited for spelling)

Edited by rcaffin on 03/08/2011 17:29:59 MST.

folec r
(folecr) - M
Re: Re: Food Planning Using Pounds Per Person Per Day on 03/08/2011 10:21:09 MST Print View

> "STEP 3 - Carefully review how it all worked AFTER the trip is over.
> Keep exact records about how much was left over,
> what was enjoyed, and what felt unsatisfying. Use this info
> to fine tune your next trip."
>
> Personal experience is everything in this field. No magic recipes.

Makes too much sense... pfffffffzzzzt... computer explodes!

Mike Clelland
(mikeclelland) - MLife

Locale: The Tetons (via Idaho)
running out of food on 03/09/2011 08:36:20 MST Print View

Reply to Roger:
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About the very real issues surrounding hypoglycemia and diabetes, I feel that I addressed (though not directly) the individual metabolism of the prospective hiker.

There was info in the article addressing the amount of food to take, under the sub heading:

Factors that will increase your body’s need for more food. and the final bulleted point was: "Heightened baseline metabolism"

With the added advice: "If you know you need to eat more than the statistical average Joe, take more."

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I'll also add that running out of food on a long expedition can be a profoundly GOOD experience. I've done it plenty of times with young students, and they end up learning a great deal about themselves. I don't advocate it, but it CAN be very rewarding.

James Marco
(jamesdmarco) - MLife

Locale: Finger Lakes
Re: running out of food on 03/09/2011 09:39:02 MST Print View

"I'll also add that running out of food on a long expedition can be a profoundly GOOD experience. I've done it plenty of times with young students, and they end up learning a great deal about themselves. I don't advocate it, but it CAN be very rewarding."

Yeah, I understand.

Actually, I am diabetic. Running out of food can be very bad... I slow down to about half my pace and have a lot of trouble concentrating...even setting up the tarp is a chore if my blood sugar is down in the 40's. Like you say, Mike, I always bring a reserve of candy specific to me and the diabetes. Not everyone has it, soo, I do not list it, nor normally mention it. This is simply to bump up my blood sugar when I get too low. It is only about 600Calories, but fast acting and will not last long.

If you have diabetes, you already know to check, unless you can feel it. Use simple common sense and prepare for this and allow for the extra exertion. High or Low blood sugar is bad. Make sure you know what the score is. Where is the help when you need it? On the trail, probably not there. If you don't keep track, you could end up in a world of hurt. You are responsible for keeping your body going. This goes double if you have diabetes. Quadruple if you are out solo.

Jason Elsworth
(jephoto) - M

Locale: New Zealand
Food Planning Using Pounds Per Person Per Day on 03/09/2011 13:52:42 MST Print View

Sadly I now suffer from hypoglycemia and have had to make some changes to my backpacking diet accordingly - running out of food would be very bad for me. I also mostly hike solo, so I don't take any risks.

I do however agree with Mike that for many people in many situations running out of food won't be the end of the world. I would imagine that anyone doing a Thru Hike is likely to experience this at least once. For shorter hikes, hopefully, after a bit of experience, most of us can get our food dialled in so we are carrying no more/less than we need.

Interestingly as a Scout we were always made to carry "emergency rations" of some sort - Kendal Mint Cake was the food of choice (yuk). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kendal_Mint_Cake.

Tom Kirchner
(ouzel) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
Re: running out of food on 03/09/2011 18:05:19 MST Print View

"I'll also add that running out of food on a long expedition can be a profoundly GOOD experience. I've done it plenty of times with young students, and they end up learning a great deal about themselves. I don't advocate it, but it CAN be very rewarding."

I'd agree that it could be, but I have some reservations. For me, it would depend on how long the party had to go without food, the weather, the body type of the different members, the terrain, to name a few. Inadequate food under one or more of these conditions could spell big trouble, but particularly in the case of a very lean individual.

Chris W
(simplespirit) - MLife

Locale: WNC
Re: Re: running out of food on 03/09/2011 18:17:13 MST Print View

Ryan J. and I (and some others) were discussing body fat/food/performance earlier on another media channel. Ryan indicated that on a trip where he was around 7% fat he was eating 4 lbs of food a day at 135 cal/oz (~8640 cals), and still had to fend off harsh cravings. I'm probably a bit under that currently and am afraid to take any trips longer than 1 or 2 nights until I can put some fat back on (man that sounds bad..putting fat on). If I ran out of food on a longer trip right now, it would likely turn dangerous very fast.

Edited by simplespirit on 03/09/2011 18:18:28 MST.

Tom Kirchner
(ouzel) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
Re: Re: Re: running out of food on 03/09/2011 20:40:41 MST Print View

"I'm probably a bit under that currently and am afraid to take any trips longer than 1 or 2 nights until I can put some fat back on (man that sounds bad..putting fat on)."

It's a mind game, Chris. You've already proven to yourself that you can take it off. For a guy that loves to backpack as much as you, it would be a shame to let that be a limiting factor. And I can tell you from experience that it definitely can be dangerous if you are already lean, especially off trail. Don't let it happen to you is my advice.

Mike Clelland
(mikeclelland) - MLife

Locale: The Tetons (via Idaho)
follow up on 03/10/2011 19:49:37 MST Print View

Here's my advice.

The important thing is NOT to take more food than you will NEED. Food weight should be scrutinized just like any other thing in your backpack.

If you are a diabetic or hypoglycemic, it's imperative that you plan ahead and take exactly the food you will need - and factor in the most extreme circumstances. Safety dictates diligence!

But - for the rest of the camping community, just be aware that it's very easy to be lax when prepping your food, and the longer your expedition, the more exacting and strict you'll need to be!