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Mike Hopkins
(Hopkins) - F
Help me reach a sub 5lb base weight on 02/10/2011 18:26:56 MST Print View

Here is my normal 3 season list. I know that the rain jacket is heavy, thinking about adding a hood to my myog tarp to solve that problem. My pack has been heavily modified and is about as light as I can make it, not bad for 50 bucks, but I would really like an MLD burn when I can afford it.

Mike Hopkins UL Gear List
(3 Season Ontario, 3 day/2 Night, -5 C and above)
# Item: Weight (oz)

Clothing Worn: 21.55
1. Helly LS poly pro T-shirt 5.10
2. MEc Soft shell Pants 12.50
3. Mec active polypro Shorts 2.70
4 .Mini Crew 1.25
Other Items Worn/Carried: 32.80
6. Watch 0.90
9.Camera w/battery & card (in pocket) 4.35
10. Photocopy of Map (in pocket) 0.75
11. Salomon XA pro 3d ultra 26.80
Extra Clothing: 25.15/21.15
12. Arcteryx Alpha SL 12
14. TNFDown Jacket 10/pati cap 4 8
15. Burton Fleece Gloves 1.50
16. Generic Fleece Cap 1.40
17. Mini Crew 1.25

Packing: 16.40
18. Mec Alpinelite 30 Backpack 14.00
19. MYOG SmallStuff Sack 0.20
20. MYOG small Stuff Sack ( tarp) 0.20
21. Mec Med linear Sack 2.00

Shelter & Sleeping: 29.6
22. BPL Cacoon 60 Quilt 10
23. 3/8" Sleeping pad - 38" trimmed 3.45
24. MYOG SILnylon Tarp 8x5 6.5
25. MYOG BUG Bivy 5.95
26. MSR NEDDLE Stakes (x8) 3.00
27. MLD 27 liteline guy Line&locks 0.70

Cooking & Hydration: 7.2
28. Evernew .90L Water Bottle 0.90
29. Platypus 1 L bottle 0.90
30. Katadyn Micropur, Purifications Tabs (6/day x 3 = 18) 0.45
31. Bear Bag (girz line 40' + Biner) 1.10
32. Fuel Bottle (4 oz cap.) 0.70
34. Molson Canadian pot and lid 1.2
35. Pepsi Alcohol Stove 0.50
36. wind screen 0.50
37. Dr Bonner's Camp Soap (micro-dropper) 0.10
38. Bic Mini Lighter with duct tape 0.60
39. Short Handled Spork 0.25

The list got really screwed up when I pasted it, sorry about that. Also I think some of the numbers are probably off. Most should be accurate based on other peoples gear lists and some scale use. I added some extra oz. though to compensate because I realize manufactures claimed weights are usually off.
I really want to try and get my base weight under 5 pounds, so any help is appreciated!

EDITED TO MAKE READABLE

Edited by Hopkins on 02/10/2011 18:44:41 MST.

Robert Cowman
(rcowman) - F

Locale: Canadian Rockies
some suggestions on 02/10/2011 18:40:21 MST Print View

lighter pack. like a zpacks blast
ditch the bug bivy. head net.

Mike Hopkins
(Hopkins) - F
Wow even more screwed up than I realized. on 02/10/2011 18:41:13 MST Print View

Here is the rest/ the part that is directly after what is actually readable....

Essentials: 6.1
40. Compass(attached to pack).2
41. Mesh stuff sack for cooking .30
45.car key 0.9
46.Petzl E lite .95
47.spare contacts 0.5
49.Toothbrush .2
50.TP 1.5
51.toothpaste .2
52.gauze pads and ointmint .10
53.match book 0.15
55. sunscreen 0.20
56.ibprophen/ advil .30
57.Deet .2
59.razor blade .2
60.Ziplock bag 0.20

Consumables: 84.00
57 Total Food (2.5 days) 48.00
59 Fuel - 4 oz 4.00
60 Water - 1 liter 32.00

1 Total Items Worn/Carried (lbs.) 3.45
2 Total Base Weight (lbs.) 5.46/5.21
3 Total Weight of Consumables (lbs.) 5.25
4 Total Gear Weight Worn+Packed (1)+(2) 9.22
5 Total Carried Pack Weight (2)+(3) 11.02
6 Total Skin Out Weight (1)+(2)+(3) 14.47

Edited by Hopkins on 02/10/2011 18:45:38 MST.

Kenneth Cowan
(zeros) - F

Locale: California
you could delete on 02/10/2011 19:17:58 MST Print View

TP
filter/tabs (aquamira in microdroppers)
car key (hide near car)
toothpaste (baking soda or nothing)


- also, do you need both the alpha jacket and TNF down?
- ditto, what robert said.



also, concerning MSR Needle stakes:
http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/forums/thread_display.html?forum_thread_id=2918

Kenneth Cowan
(zeros) - F

Locale: California
Also on 02/10/2011 19:19:42 MST Print View

2 mini crews for 3 days?

Chris W
(simplespirit) - MLife

Locale: .
Re: Help me reach a sub 5lb base weight on 02/10/2011 19:22:43 MST Print View

Why do you need a 5 lb base weight?

a b
(Ice-axe)
sub 5 lb on 02/10/2011 19:29:10 MST Print View

Ditch the stove, pot, windscreen and stuff bag. Go cookless.
Carry a ziplock container instead to rehydrate food while hiking.
Ditch Petzl e-lite for a Photon stick a dime size piece of velcro to the photon and your hat for hands free light

James Lantz
(jameslantz) - F

Locale: North Georgia
Re: "Help me reach a sub 5 lb base weight" on 02/10/2011 19:35:43 MST Print View

A Gossamer Gear Murmur would cut your pack weight by half & is able to handle a 3 or 4 day gear set year round for me.

Mike Hopkins
(Hopkins) - F
Thanks for the help on 02/10/2011 19:42:16 MST Print View

A lot of those suggestions seem really good. I bring the down jacket for sleeping with because the quilt isn't warm enough for -5 type temps. I prefer a warm dinner for the same reasons. A warm meal is just awesome, going cookless is an easy way to go sub 5lbs though. I would love a new pack and the blast is a good suggestion, but I am going to stay with this one until I can afford a new one or can make my own.
My reasons for going sub 5lbs are kind of pointless I suppose. My main reason is probably the best. Last summer I went 100 kms in 19 hours total walking time. I feel that if I lower my base weight I could travel further or the same distance using less energy or in less time. It allows me to actually get into "wilderness" type situations even if I only have a spare weekend. Going along with this It makes trips that are usually week long become a lot shorter. I don't seem to have a lot of time for extended trips, so I like to pack in as much as I can in the time I can. The other reason is kind of shameful, I just like to see how light I can go and remain safe and comfortable. Its a bad reason, or at least not the best reason, but it works for me.
Thanks everyone
Mike

JJ Mathes
(JMathes) - F

Locale: Southeast US
Help me reach a sub 5lb base weight on 02/10/2011 19:45:10 MST Print View

Chris Wallace
(simplespirit) - BPL Staff - MLIFE

Locale: NE GA / W NC

NEW Re: Help me reach a sub 5lb base weight on 02/10/2011 19:22:43 MST

Why do you need a 5 lb base weight?


WOW Chris, you're a BPL Staff member
This is the sort of comment I would expect on WhiteBlaze not BPL

Try offering the OP solutions or say nothing at all.

Edited by JMathes on 02/10/2011 20:13:25 MST.

Troy Ammons
(tammons) - F
Re: Help me reach a sub 5lb base weight on 02/10/2011 20:08:54 MST Print View

Why anyone would want to go 5# unless its a survival pack is beyond me, but go cuben, cuben, cuben and some M50.

Cuben pack
Cuben liner
Cuben tarp/poncho

Sub 3oz bivy.
Someone here built one. Cant remember who.

Cold food

todd harper
(funnymoney) - MLife

Locale: Sunshine State
Re: Help me reach a sub 5lb base weight on 02/10/2011 20:15:42 MST Print View

"Try offering the OP solutions or say noting at all."

JJ: Perhaps Chris asked the question so he could tailor his advice in some way?

Todd

todd harper
(funnymoney) - MLife

Locale: Sunshine State
Re: Help me reach a sub 5lb base weight on 02/10/2011 20:16:44 MST Print View

Mike,

I like your reasons to do 5lb!! Nice list, too. I won't even try to contemplate the kind of distance you can cover in a day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wow.

What do you use for a pillow?

Todd

Edited by funnymoney on 02/10/2011 20:26:06 MST.

Daniel Allen
(Dan_Quixote) - F

Locale: below the mountains (AK)
Re: Help me reach a sub 5lb base weight on 02/10/2011 20:58:47 MST Print View

JJ, in Chris' defense, I don't think he was questioning the validity of going <5 lb; He was wondering the OP's motivation for doing so. The primary difference is tone, and textual communication strips that from our words in a way that makes us all sound terribly rude at times.

-Daniel

jim bailey
(florigen) - F - M

Locale: South East
Help me reach a sub 5lb base weight on 02/10/2011 21:03:33 MST Print View

Chris Wallace
(simplespirit) - BPL Staff - MLIFE

Locale: NE GA / W NC

NEW Re: Help me reach a sub 5lb base weight on 02/10/2011 19:22:43 MST

Why do you need a 5 lb base weight?

This makes me miss the days of old with BPL staff members who actually helped the UL movement & backpacked. Now we have staff members who are snarky, and post "Yoga" as gear of the year when they are not too busy posting "heavy" over other gear people are carrying while actually hiking.

Best of luck BPL, you will definitely need it if this continues.

Jack G
(NomadJack) - F

Locale: Midwest
Help me reach a sub 5lb base weight on 02/10/2011 21:53:15 MST Print View

You might want to take a look at Steve Evans gear lists at Suluk 46, both for ideas on getting to your goal of 5 lbs. as well as for formatting your list. Also, you've got a 60' quilt for lows you say reach 23'. I'd definitely upgrade that before spending money on a new pack.

http://www.suluk46.com/adventure.html

j lan
(justaddfuel) - F

Locale: MN
Re: Help me reach a sub 5lb base weight on 02/10/2011 22:05:12 MST Print View

Here's a guy that did it with an ion.

http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/forums/thread_display.html?forum_thread_id=13855

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Re: Re: Help me reach a sub 5lb base weight on 02/10/2011 22:48:59 MST Print View

Speaking of the old days..

SuperUltraLight

http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/00138.html

And for when 5 is just too much

http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/super_ultralight_cascades_sub_4_backpacking.html


And Chris W. tisk, tisk...

Chris W
(simplespirit) - MLife

Locale: .
Re: Re: Help me reach a sub 5lb base weight on 02/11/2011 03:40:15 MST Print View

Daniel was correct. I'm all for helping people out, but I'm not going to tell someone to get rid of a bunch of equipment without them having a good reason for doing so. If you've never even gone out with a 10 lb base, jumping straight to sub 5 could prove quite disastrous, and cause someone to hate backpacking forever. I'd prefer the OP enjoy himself, and his time in the Wilderness.

Back to the OP, I would not advise trying to go sub 5 in twenty degree temps. Having said that, if you're still interested I suggest Alan Dixon's site. He has a page on going sub 3 base in temps to freezing. Pay special attention to what he says about doing it, and what was necessary. His choices to throw out certain items worked because of where he was trekking. They may not be doable in your location.

Edited by simplespirit on 02/11/2011 03:51:48 MST.

Mike Hopkins
(Hopkins) - F
Sleeping set up and tips! on 02/11/2011 05:42:50 MST Print View

Thanks for the tips! As far as my sleeping system goes, your are totally right, the quilt isn't very warm, but paired with my down jacket, toque, gloves, fresh socks, hiking pants, and tarp pitched quite low I am fine getting through nights of -5 at the very limit, I prefer to hover around 0 however. I was not offended in anyway by the BPL staff member asking me why I wanted to go sub 5. I think that's a very important question. I had a look over all of those gear lists you posted and some of them seem like they can be quite helpful. If anyone has specific places where I could easily lose weight at a small cost I would love to hear them. I just can't afford to go cuben, or buy a pack right now. I was also thinking of stuffing some down into my synthetic quilt (keeping the synthetic insulation in too). Would this just be a pointless exercise and waste of down? Any ideas about that would be awesome.
Thanks again!