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Seth Brewer
(Whistler) - MLife

Locale: www.peaksandvalleys.weebly.com
Input on Exceedingly lengthy but good ? A.T Thru Hike Gear List for Mar/April 2011 on 02/07/2011 15:15:08 MST Print View

I APOLOGIZE FOR THE LENGTHY LIST'S - IF YOU READ LONG ENOUGH TO GET TO THE END YOU'RE AN AWESOME PERSON :-)

Greetings - wanted a bit of feedback or thoughts in general to ease my overworked mind regarding all the gear I've got picked out from among my camping stuff for this trip...just a little background regarding me as a hiker:

1. 6'1" lanky guy with 32" waist and bony hips that need a lot of comfy padding - as do my shoulders from a prior neck/shoulder injury years ago. I've found that I get sore ASIS's (anterior superior iliac spine - small bony front part of your hip bone) if the backpack hip belts don't have enough padding for the weight. And I've noticed that my neck/ shoulder blade will get sore if too much bag weight is carried on them - more weight on hips = better, comfy hip and shoulder pads = better.(even if heavier pack wt)..

2. I've currently got the MLD Exodus (large) which is a sweet bag (excellent shoulder straps), and the Osprey Exos 56 (medium) which is good - but a bit uncomfortable on my bony hips with the limited padding in the front of the hipbelt -- so I'm wondering if perhaps I should sell the Exos and try the ULA Circuit or Granite Gear pack with a stay system and "comfy" hipbelt (from what I've heard on this forum and others) and if that would be better on the hip - weight-shoulder -comfy thing arena - at least for the winter start (4 wks till whenever mother nature gives the east coast a break..) then possibly move back to the MLD........PLEASE - take a browse over the list's below (first is Winter (cold weather start) list , and the second is Summer (whenever it gets hot I'll swap/ship the stuff).

2.5 I'll be planning of only having 2 water bottles at most full - water bag for getting just at camp or if needed, and usually 3 days of food - at most 5 days food (2 - 2.5 lbs /day = 10 - 12.5lbs food) = about 6-7lbs food and 2-4 lbs water usually carried..

3. Let it be known - that I have sold my outdated heavy backpackers nightmare stuff (my old set weighed 27.5lbs carried base weight - and add 5 days of food and the days water = 42lbs carried...I'm in pain just thinking about it..) and have NOT yet fully tried this new set-up (other than 8 hr day / overnight hikes) -- hence my desire for input. I DO plan on mostly tent camping - not really interested in the Shelter's all that much)

4. I've carried those 42lbs for a week long trip with a daily average of 14 miles over 2 low mountain ranges -- my desire is to comfortably do 16-20mile days with this new set-up on the A.T--- and I would put my fitness level at above average to high (triathlons, trail running, etc. etc....I wear lots of spandex)

4. Finally - just in terms of the input - I'm taking TP, I'm not swapping pack belt buckles, I'm not cutting off excess straps, I'm bringing the FULL 3oz. of AM (probably should just use Bleach drops in winter since it doesn't have a time increase with colder water like AM does - and I'll have my Frontier Pro as an on the go drink option). .... :-) Tongue in cheek - just so you'll know the level of input I'm looking for !! Thanks in advance for any input - advice - jealous ranting - or personal thoughts from people who have used any of the gear, regarding its appropriateness for this trip. :-) CTWhistler ... Oh - and the iPod stays no matter what :-P

----WINTER----- (LOTS OF OVERLAP BETWEEN THE WINTER AND SUMMER LIST - JUST SOME THINGS HAVE CHANGED)

Current WINTER/COLD Gear List for upcoming A.T Thru-Hike 2011 Mar/Apr Start
Tent: (36 oz.)
• Henry Shires TarpTent: Rainbow w/ Liner, WINTER STAKES– 2 lb 4 oz. (36 oz.)
Backpack: (18oz.)
• Mountain Laurel Designs Exodus Large– (18oz.) 12 x 7 x 32 (3,200 cu. In / 3,600 w/ ext collar)
(approx. 18oz. w/ 2 hip pockets, 1 water bottle pocket, bungee / cord locks)
Mat: (13.5 oz.)
• GG Thinlite Insulation Pad 1/8 (59 x 20 x 1/8) (2 oz.)
• GG TorsoLite Pack Pad/ Sit Pad / Extra Mat (19.5 x 30 x 3/4in.) (2.5 oz.)
• Klymit Inertia X UL Pad (18 x 72 ) (9 oz.)
Sleeping Bag: (25oz.)
• Western Mountaineering Caribou 35* Down Long - 1 lb 9oz. (25 oz.)
Stove: (2oz.) + Fuel (8oz.)
• Packafeather XL Stove w/ heat shield & using windscreen from WB stove) (2 oz.)
Cooking Set: (6.8oz.)
• Snow Peak Titanium Mini Solo - (4.2 oz , packs with all listed in cook set/stove inside of pot)
• REI Folding Ti Spork (0.6 oz.)
• Concentrated Biodegradable Soap (body wash, dish soap, shampoo, solution for world peace..oops got ahead of myself) (1.8 oz.)
• Scrub Sponge & 1” x 2” – (0.2 oz.)
• ZPacks UL Towels for cleaning – 6” x 6” (1 oz.)
Light: (1.5 oz.)
• Photo Micro Light (2 with bungee cord/lock to double as headband) (1.5 oz.)
Firestarting / Tools: (2.45oz.)
• (2) Mini Bic Lighters (1 oz.)
• Leatherman Style CS - (1.45 oz.)
Bathroom: (3oz.)
• Hand Sanitizer (1 oz.)
• Toilet Paper in Ziploc (2 oz.)
• “Nature’s Weightless Trowel” (0 oz.) (find a stick or a rock and dig a deep hole – epic win)
Bearproofing: (1.6 oz.)
• ZPack Cuben Fiber Rock Bag
• BPL Aircore Pro "UrsaLite" Dyneema Bear Bag Cord – (1.3oz/50ft)
• Nite-Ize #2 Biner w/ 2” PVC Pipe for BPL modification of PCT Bear Hanging Method
Pack liners / Raincovers: (4.5 oz.)
• BPL Pack Liner (1.5 oz.)
• MLD Packcover (3 oz.)
Showering: (7.6oz.)
• Sea to Summit Mini-Clothesline (0.9 oz)
• MSR PackTowel Personal Small– (0.9 oz.) (6 x 12in.)
Clothing:
1. Snow/Raingear/ Outer Layer: (20 oz.)
• EMS Thunderhead Jacket – (12 oz.)
• Marmot Precip Pants – (8 oz.)
2. Underwear: (5.6 oz.)
• ExOfficio Briefs - ( 2 Pair) (2.8 oz / per pair)
3. Pants/Shorts: (12oz.)
• REI Long Underwear (6.6oz.)
• Asics Running Shorts – (4 oz.)
4. Shirts/ Sweaters: (16.2oz.)
• ExOfficio T-Shirt w/ Flatstitch Seams (5.4 OZ.)
• Montbell U.L. Thermawrap Jacket (10.8oz.)
5. Hats: (1 oz.)
• Headsweats Visor or OR Sun Hat (1oz.)
6. Gloves: (2.5 oz.)
• Misty Mountain Running Synthetic Fleece Liners (1.5 OZ)
• MLD eVent Mittens / Rainproof – (1 oz.)
7. Socks: (7.4oz.)
• EMS Lightweight Hiking Socks (2 pair) (2.8 OZ / PER PAIR)
• EMS Silk Liners (2 pair) (0.9 OZ. / PER PAIR)
8. Sleep Baselayer: (32.4 oz.)
• Columbia GRT Long Sleeve Shirt (7.2 oz.)
• Montbell Thermawrap Pants – (8 oz.) (Pantyhose for added warmth…)
• Fleece Hat (2 oz.)
• Smartwool Ankle Socks (2 oz)
• REI Down Booties – (10 oz.)
• Polypro Glove Liners ( 1 oz.)
Emergency / First Aid / Gear Repair / Body Prep & Anti –Chafe (7oz. )
• Bandages…etc….etc…. Mini Signal / Tick Check Mirror Fox 40 Mini Whistle
• Moleskin Tweezers Body Glide Ibuprofen Tums Ear Plugs (extras)
• Mcnett Tenacious Tape Super Glue mini tube (or try to get iso-butyl cyanoacetace from ER)
Music / Photo/Ditty Bag: (21.5oz.)
• Zippered Silnylon Ditty Bag for personal stuff / Stuff Silnylon Ditty bag for charger stuff
• Fujifilm Finepix 550EXR 16mp w/ GPS, 1080HD, Raw, Alt/Lat/Long - 16gb SD) (7.6 OZ. camera)
• STICKPIC MOUNT w/ ZPack Cuben Fiber Camera Bag w/ Bubble wrap & Super Glue Case
• LokSac Waterproof Bag to put camera in for bad weather (1oz.)
• 16GB Ipod Nano in MYOG Bubble Wrap / Super glue case w/headphones/mini charger – (4 oz.)
• 1/3 2011 A.T. Thru-Hikers Companion Book (3.5 oz.) rest to bounce box)
• Phone w/ charging cord (3oz.)
Water Storage / Purification: (11oz.)
• Aquamira Water Treatment – 3 oz. (treats up to 30 Gal (120L))
• Aquamira Frontier Pro – (2 oz.) (up to 50 Gal (200L))
• Nalgene Canteen 96 oz. Carrier. (1) - 3 oz.
• Aquafina Liter Bottles (2) (TALL SKINNY ONES ) (1.5 oz. / each)
Food: (1.3oz. empty)
• LOKSAK O.P 12.5 x 20 in. Odor proof bag (1.3 oz.)
• Ramen Noodles Dry Soup Mixes CousCous PB Crackers / Candy Bars
• Coolaid / Powdered Drink Mixes GORP EmergenC / Vitamins – Calcium /D
Footwear / Gaiters: (46.6 oz.)
• (w) Salomon 3D Mid GTX Hiking Boots – (41.6. oz / pair– size 13)
• (w) Outdoor Research Knee High Gaiters (5oz.)
Trekking Poles: (18 oz.)
• Black Diamond Trail Ergo Cork – flick lock, 140cm, (18 oz. / pair)

TOTAL = 332.45 OZ. (20.77 LBS) Base Weight FSO (FROM SKIN OUT)


Worn Cold Weather: (97.5 oz. = 6 lbs) ---- Base Pack Weight Carried: 14.77lbs
Snow/Raingear/ Outer Layer: (66.6 oz.)
• EMS Thunderhead Jacket – (12 oz.)
• Marmot Precip Pants – (8 oz.)
• Salomon 3D Mid GTX Hiking Boots – (41.6. oz / pair– size 13)
• Outdoor Research Knee High Gaiters (5oz.)
• Polypro Glove Liners (1 oz.)
• MLD eVent Rain /Snow Gloves – (1 oz.)
Underwear / Base Layer for Hiking: (12.9 oz.)
• ExOfficio Briefs - (2.8 oz)
• Exofficio T-Shirt – (5.4 oz.)
• EMS Lightweight Hiking Socks (2.8 OZ)
• EMS Silk Liners (0.9 OZ.)
• EMS Bandana - (1 oz.)
Trekking Poles: (18 oz.)
• Black Diamond Trail Ergo Cork – flick lock, 140cm, (18 oz. / pair)


-------SUMMER -----


Current SUMMER Gear List for upcoming A.T Thru-Hike 2011 Mar/Apr Start
Tent: (32oz.)
• Henry Shires TarpTent: Rainbow – 2 lb (32 oz.)
Backpack: (18oz.)
• Mountain Laurel Designs Exodus Large– (18oz.) 12 x 7 x 32 (3,200 cu. In / 3,600 w/ ext collar)
(approx. 18oz. w/ 2 hip pockets, 1 water bottle pocket, bungee / cord locks)
Mat: (11.5 oz.)
• GG TorsoLite Pack Pad/ Sit Pad / Extra Mat (19.5 x 30 x 3/4in.) (2.5 oz.)
• Klymit Inertia X UL Pad (18 x 72 ) (9 oz.)
Sleeping Bag: (25oz.)
• Western Mountaineering Caribou 35* Down Long - 1 lb 9oz. (25 oz.)
Stove: (2oz.) + Fuel (8oz.)
• Packafeather XL Stove w/ heat shield & using windscreen from WB stove) (2 oz.)
Cooking Set: (6.8oz.)
• Snow Peak Titanium Mini Solo - (4.2 oz., packs with all listed in cook set/stove inside of pot)
• REI Folding Ti Spork (0.6 oz.)
• Concentrated Biodegradable Soap/Body Wash (1.8 oz.)
• Scrub Sponge & 1” x 2” – (0.2 oz.)
• ZPacks UL Towels for cleaning – 6” x 6” (1 oz.)
Light: (1.5 oz.)
• Photo Micro Light (2 with bungee cord/lock** to double as headband) (1.5 oz.)
Firestarting / Tools: (2.45oz.)
• (2) Mini Bic Lighters (1 oz.)
• Leatherman Style CS (scissors, knife, bottle opener, tweezers, flathead)- (1.45 oz.)
Bathroom: (3oz.)
• Hand Sanitizer (1 oz.)
• Toilet Paper in Ziploc (2 oz.) (no leaves for me thank you very much…)
• “Nature’s Weightless Trowel” (0 oz.) (find a stick or a rock and dig a deep hole – epic win)
Bearproofing: (1.6 oz.)
• ZPack Cuben Fiber Rock Bag
• BPL Aircore Pro "UrsaLite" Dyneema Bear Bag Cord – (1.3oz/50ft)
• Nite-Ize #2 Biner w/ 2” PVC Pipe for BPL modification of PCT Bear Hanging Method
Pack liners / Raincovers: (4.5 oz.)
• BPL Pack Liner (1.5 oz.)
• MLD Packcover (3 oz.)
Showering: (4.4oz.)
• Billabong Neoprene Croc Liners (2.6oz.) (also stream crossing and camp shoes)
• Sea to Summit Mini-Clothesline (0.9 oz)
• MSR PackTowel Personal Small– (0.9 oz.) (6 x 12in.)
Clothing:
1. Raingear: (14.8oz.)
• Dri Ducks Trail-Pac Rain Jacket / Skirt **– (14.8 oz. for set – Don’t pack in stuff bag)
2. Underwear: (5.6 oz.)
• ExOfficio Briefs - ( 2 Pair) (2.8 oz / per pair)
3. Pants/Shorts: (8oz.)
• Sugoi Running Shorts (4 OZ.)
• New Balance Running Shorts (4 OZ.) (or substitute for Railriders Eco-Mesh pants…)
4. Shirts/ Sweaters: (13.4oz.)
• ExOfficio T-Shirt w/ Flatstitch Seams (5.4 OZ.)
• Exofficio Insect Shield LS Shirt (8 oz.)
5. Hats: (4 oz.)
• Sea to Summit Mosquito Head Net (0.9 OZ)
• Headsweats Visor or OR Sun Hat (1oz.)
• (2) EMS Bandana (2 OZ.)
6. Gloves: (2.5 oz.)
• Misty Mountain Running Synthetic Fleece Liners (1.5 OZ)
• MLD eVent Mittens / Rainproof – (1 oz.)
7. Socks: (7.4oz.)
• EMS Lightweight Hiking Socks (2 pair) (2.8 OZ / PER PAIR)
• EMS Silk Liners (2 pair) (0.9 OZ. / PER PAIR)
Emergency / First Aid / Gear Repair / Body Prep & Anti –Chafe (8oz. )**
• Bandages…etc….etc…. Mini Signal / Tick Check Mirror Fox 40 Mini Whistle
• Moleskin Tweezers Body Glide Ibuprofen Tums Ear Plugs (extras)
• Mcnett Tenacious Tape Super Glue mini tube (or try to get iso-butyl cyanoacetace from ER)
Music / Photo/Ditty Bag: (21.5oz.)
• Zippered Silnylon Ditty Bag for personal stuff / Stuff Silnylon Ditty bag for charger stuff
• Fujifilm Finepix 550EXR 16mp w/ GPS, 1080HD, Raw, Alt/Lat/Long - 16gb SD) (7.6 OZ. camera)
• STICKPIC MOUNT w/ ZPack Cuben Fiber Camera Bag w/ Bubble wrap & Super Glue Case
• LokSac Waterproof Bag to put camera in for bad weather (1oz.)
• 16GB Ipod Nano in MYOG Bubble Wrap / Super glue case w/headphones/mini charger – (4 oz.)
• 1/3 2011 A.T. Thru-Hikers Companion Book (3.5 oz.) rest to bounce box)
• Phone w/ charging cord (3oz.)
Water Storage / Purification: (11oz.)
• Aquamira Water Treatment – 3 oz. (treats up to 30 Gal (120L)
• Aquamira Frontier Pro –(2 oz.) (up to 50 Gal (200L)
• Nalgene Canteen 96 oz. Carrier. (1) - 3 oz.
• Aquafina Liter Bottles (2) (TALL SKINNY ONES ) (1.5 oz. / each)
Food: (1.3oz. empty)
• LOKSAK O.P 12.5 x 20 in. Odor proof bag (1.3 oz.)
• Ramen Noodles Dry Soup Mixes CousCous PB Crackers / Candy Bars
• Coolaid / Powdered Drink Mixes GORP EmergenC / Vitamins – Calcium /D
Footwear / Gaiters: (s) = summer (36.3 oz.)
• (s) Salomon XA Pro 3D Ultra 2 Trail Running Shoes (34.5 oz. / pair – size 13)
• (s) Dirty Girl Gaiters – Leopard Print Lime Green - ‘cause black gaiters are boring… (1.8 oz.)
Trekking Poles: (7.2oz.)
• GG LT4 Trekking Poles – twist, 140cm, (7.2 oz./pair)

TOTAL = 256.3 OZ. (16 LBS) Base Weight FSO (FROM SKIN OUT)


Worn Warm Weather: (60.4 oz. = 3.77lbs) Base Pack Weight Carried = 12.23lbs

Footwear / Gaiters: (36.3 oz.)
• Salomon XA Pro 3D Ultra 2 Trail Running Shoes (34.5 oz. / pair – size 13)
• Dirty Girl Gaiters – Leopard Print Lime Green (1.8 oz.)
Trekking Poles: (7.2oz.)
• GG LT4 Trekking Poles – twist, 140cm, (7.2 oz./pair)
Clothing: (16.9 oz.)
• ExOfficio T-Shirt w/ Flatstitch Seams (5.4 OZ.)
• Headsweats Visor or OR Sun Hat (1oz.)
• EMS Lightweight Hiking Socks (2.8 OZ)
• EMS Silk Liners (0.9 OZ)
• ExOfficio Briefs (2.8 oz)
• Sugoi Running Shorts (4 OZ.)


Sorry for the lengthy list -- but any help - attaboy's - or input is appreciated -- especially regarding Backpack / do I need for a stay system and / or - comfy hipbelt and shoulder strap ideas !

Matthew Zion
(mzion) - F

Locale: Boulder, CO
Re: on 02/07/2011 16:02:50 MST Print View

Lengthy indeed.

So... this is what I would get rid of.

You don't need 2 lighters. "extra" and "just in case" items are dead weight.

You don't need a pack cover AND a liner. Go with the lighter one, which is on your list and pretty much universally the liner.

Leatherman? You won't need that. Light weight knife or just finger nail clippers should suffice.

If your gonna carry soap you don't need hand sanitizer too. Be sure you just bury the soap in the cat hole too.

You do not need to bear bag on the AT. Places w/ bears have bear protection things like cables and boxes.

Clothes line? Use some trees or shelter rafters.

Underwear? Running shorts + liner ftw. If you must have them, do you really need 2 pairs?

I don't use gloves and I think an April start would require them. Rain mitts seem like over kill. Although, I am forever caught in photos w/ my hands down my pants.

Sock Liners? Probably can live w/o those.

Sleeping insulation clothes? Whats wrong with your other cold weather gear? Very easily leave all of that at home. Keep the beanie/balaclava.

Personally skimp on 'First Aid' stuff. Personal preference for sure. Be careful w/ the vitamin I.

As far as cold weather worn. If your moving you will not be cold, shorts and SS shirt does just fine into the 30's. You do not need knee high gators Dirty Girls should do.

I got a little confused w/ the whole new list for summer. My 3 season becomes a 1 season by dumping my Cap3 and down jacket and just about everything else carries over. Simplifying is the name of the game. If you don't have time constraints starting later will put you in warm weather sooner than early March.

Lastly, and others will disagree for sure, but you do not need water treatment, least of all 2 types. You will be drinking from the most pristine water sources on the eastern seaboard. If you feel that its necessary just take the aquamira and I'm sure before you get through the Smokies and their snow melt springs you will have quit treating.

Jack H.
(Found) - F

Locale: Sacramento, CA
Re: Input on Exceedingly lengthy but good ? A.T Thru Hike Gear List for Mar/April 2011 on 02/07/2011 16:46:44 MST Print View

that's pretty darn close to what I'm bringing. 35 degrees doesn't seem like a "winter"bag to me though.

Ron Bell
(mountainlaureldesigns) - F - M

Locale: USA
Re: Re: Input on Exceedingly lengthy but good ? A.T Thru Hike Gear List for Mar/April 2011 on 02/07/2011 18:46:38 MST Print View

Maybe look at the foot care part a bit more- but maybe you have it super dialed in for your feet on that type of trip/weather/ shoe combo. I'd suggest adding some leukoptape P and some benzoin for blisters- pretty light weight - Since you are very fit at the start you'll be able to walk long days and may get more blisters than usual in the GTX boots.

Also maybe consider a bit more of a light (yeah- I said more...ha) for easier night navigation with shorter daylight at the start when you may want to night hike into the evening.

Seth Brewer
(Whistler) - MLife

Locale: www.peaksandvalleys.weebly.com
Thanks for the Input Guys ! on 02/07/2011 20:26:31 MST Print View

First off - thanks for you helpful and well thought out input guys !

@ Matthew - Probably right about the leatherman...and the pack cover (though I do like having a dry pack..maybe I'll ditch it)..and the clothes line....as for the sanitation / water treatment - having spent some time in Medical school learning all about the awesomeness of bugs / viruses / protozoa - and the like - and their, at times, rather nasty side effect-- I'll stick to at least the AM / for now (I've seen the results of Giardia and other intestinal friends - and I'd rather take the weight) - and if I find myself not using it I'll ditch it......as for the bearbag - since I'll be doing kind of weird / long - stop to camp when I feel like it days - I'm wondering if I may need it in the event I don't end up at a shelter w/ bear hanging...as for the "sleeping clothes" my 35* sleeping bag has been very comfortable down to 14* with just a baselayer on and my down booties :-) ...so I opted to bring a lighter sleeping bag that can fully unzip like a spring quilt - and make it a winter bag with the baselayer...I'm a cold hands guy in the wind / rain /snow - and light poly's while I'm moving with some overmitts for stopping or in actual snow/rain will be good for me...As for the OR Verglas gaiters to start - I kind of love them..so it will have to really not be a risk of tramping through snow drifts for me to leave them at home....but I'll consider it...

@Jack - I agree that a 35* bag seems light for the start - but with my listed "sleeping baselayer" (which can be sent home anytime) I've been toasty warm and slept like a baby down to 14* (New England Winter Excellence :-) Ice and Sleet come Free !!) which is probably even colder than I'd expect it to be the last week of March or first week of April...

@Ron - first off - Sweet Bag !! I've never had a frameless bag before and I don't think I'll ever need another as long as I can keep my weight down ! I love that it's size can be changed so much with how large or small the load is !! Regarding the Leukotape and benzoin - I'm actually going to get some when I get out to the store - so good to hear that seems like a good thought - I also think that the GTX and longer days may put me at risk for needing them..and I've got a BD Gizmo Headlamp (strong enough?) - two AAA and runs for days on the low setting - lots more light than the little ones...good thought - didn't think about the shorter daylight at the start.. Thanks for the thoughts everyone !!

Frank Deland
(rambler) - M

Locale: On the AT in VA
good list on 02/07/2011 20:30:59 MST Print View

It's late and your list is a bit overwelming for me right now, but you have done a thoughtful job.

As an AT section hiker with only 300 miles in VA left, here is what jumps out at me.

A 2 pound tent, even though it is a fine product from Henry Shires, will start to feel heavy when you know there are much lighter options available. Start with Ron Bell's site at Mountain Laurel Designs...NB he responded to your post and yet, never even put in a plug for his shelters, so I will.

I, too, started thinking I would avoid shelters, and I did. Then I started staying near shelters, but not in them. Then I started using them more and more. Not only did I enjoy the company, but the convenience, too. No need to fumble around in the rain with a tent or tarp. A nice place to organize gear. Saves time in the morning.

Suddenly when you start using shelters, you begin to wonder why you are lugging a two pound shelter.

But, sometimes shelters are full, or you recognize that hiker who snores, or you want to hike a distance beyond the neaerest shelter, having your own shelter is a must. Somewhere there were two shelters at one site and one had a sign that read "snore-free shelter"!
(Once in ME, I could not reach a shelter because I did not want to cross a swollen stream) Think tarp. A two person tarp gives you plenty of room at a weight less than a one person tent. Worried about mosquito season? A SMD Wild Oasis weighs 11 oz.
A tarp can be tied-off between two trees, don't even need your poles every time.
(I have used a tarp hung over me in a hammock skin which I do not have to unpack unless it starts to rain!)

Packs: I have used lots of frameless, but when out for two weeks (JMT), I was really missing a chance to the get weight off my shoulders. A variety of Granite Gear choices fit me well with the light, but effective frames ( eg. Vapor Trail)(Osprey packs are very popular, too, along with ULA and the long stand-by farmes of the Gregory's.) So far, I only remember seeing grey haired guys using Kelty exterior frames from the good ole days.

Keep in mind the cuben fiber pack and shelter options from Zpacks, I see you have a stuff sack from there.

A light with a strong spotlight option works best for me when looking for AT blazes at a distance in the dark. (see Ron Bell's comments) The dimmer lighter options do not work for my eyesight any more except around camp. The popular brands of headlamps have both options in one light.

When using just sticks for waste holes, the holes I dig usually do not get deep enough. Using a winter stake or small non-plastic potty shovel (eg.ProliteGear) really do a better job of it, especially among the roots and rocks. I use shelter latreens a lot even if just passing by. ( Some are only a few yards off the trail.)Many are odor-free composting out-houses with nice views and a door you can kick shut if another hiker comes along.)

You really do have a good list and the advantage of the AT is that it is not too hard to revise as you go. There are many post offices and outfitters along the trail,too. (Walasi, GA, Gatlinburg, one near the Fontana Dam, Standing Indian just outside the northern boundry of the GSNP, Hot Springs, NC (or is it TN?) Damascus,VA, at least one in MD, and Harpers Ferry, Duncannon PA, Port Clyde, PA (Cabella's not far off trail in PA), Delaware Gap, etc...All see thru-hikers everyday!

Edited by rambler on 02/07/2011 20:48:04 MST.

Matthew Zion
(mzion) - F

Locale: Boulder, CO
Re: on 02/07/2011 20:55:41 MST Print View

Seth,

Ultimately its going to come down to what your comfortable with. After a week or two you'll be getting rid of stuff like crazy, including the stuff that now feel like must haves. You'll figure it all out every thing that works for you and doesn't.

As for the bear stuff, you will more than likely only see them in GSMNP, SNP, and Jersey. You have to stay in designated camp grounds in the Smokies anyway, and they have cables. SNP has boxes and poles and Jersey had boxes as well (from what I remember). Again, its up to you but IMO it would probably be easier just to adjust your milage to suite.

I was putting off some work this afternoon and decided to line item veto your list.

a b
(Ice-axe)
Shoulder strap beta regarding Exodus on 02/08/2011 00:38:48 MST Print View

"Sorry for the lengthy list -- but any help - attaboy's - or input is appreciated -- especially regarding Backpack / do I need for a stay system and / or - comfy hipbelt and shoulder strap ideas !"

To keep your shoulders happy with the Exodus I found that folding my sleeping pad(ridgrest 3/4 length) and stuffing it inside the pack between my gear(in it's garbage bag) and my back created a rigid stable load. I also ditched my stuff sacks early on the CDT and simply put my sleeping bag and clothes into my garbage bag liner. This really firmed up the Exodus by eliminating any deadspaces and preventing any shifting of gear throughout a 14 hour day of hiking.
I get pains in my shoulders to due to an old injury(fell off a roof). One trick i use with my Exodus is to occasionally tighten up the sternum strap all the way for a mile or so. Then release it back to normal. this seems to give my shoulder muscles a little break and it nearly always prevents the pain.
With the Exodus the pack sometimes hugs your back so close that you sweat a lot. What i do is loosen the shoulder straps a couple of inches and let the pack sag backwards off my shoulders for a mile or two to give my back a chance to air out. The "hugging" quality is a good thing as the weight is as close as possible to my center of gravity making for sure footed and upright walking.
The thing I can stress the most about the Exodus and other frameless packs I have used is that comfort level is directly affected by how you pack your gear. In order for the waist belt to take any load at all, your gear and sleeping pad need to create the "frame".
So I had my sleeping bag and clothes in a garbage compactor bag with my other gear and food on top and my sleeping pad inside shoved all the way down between my back and the gear. So long as nothing slips the pack stay stable and rigid as if it had stays or a frame. I never had to cram my gear in to achieve the stability.. just stuffed as if it were in a stuffsack.
One of the advantages the Exodus has is that it has a non-tapered main compartment. The Golite Pinnacle I used for the PCT was tapered more widely at the bottom and this caused my gear to loosen up through out the day and result in a crease forming in the back panel that led to all the weight being transferred to my shoulders.
The Exodus never let me down once on the CDT. By packing it with my pad between me and the load it remained stable and never sagged up to total loads of 25lbs. When i got heavier than that the extra weight seemed to all go to my shoulders. (usually this was temporary until i ate that large pizza i was luggin out of town ;)
Nice Gearlist!
I am headed out to the AT in Mid-March maybe i will see you on trail.
Cheers

Edited by Ice-axe on 02/08/2011 01:04:22 MST.

Seth Brewer
(Whistler) - MLife

Locale: www.peaksandvalleys.weebly.com
Thanks for even more input !! on 02/08/2011 14:55:16 MST Print View

@ Frank - so right about Ron - he's seems to be very humble about his obvious brilliance in his product designs and manufacturing - I'm looking at a SoloMid set-up for the cold start since I never zip the mesh up anyway in the cold - and I'll be bring a Polycryo ground sheet anyway in case I use a shelter - so add a light inner net and that may take of it...I'll test it out and see..but even with an inner net its 17oz. (netting 12" on sides) and add a head bug net and ground sheet - that's about 20 oz. for the tent - pretty tempting to try versus the (excellent) but heavier Rainbow at over 34 oz....Added a stronger BD Gizmo Headlamp - Thanks Ron - and considered other bags w/ stays - but seem pretty set on sticking with the Exodus - it has the look of a Ferrari - the reliability of a Audi - and the durability of Sherman ....or so it appears on initial tests..may try my 3oz. GSI Cathole trowel for cold start..but I usually can find a rock/stick big enough to get a good hole.....

@Matthew Z- I'll look forward to your line item veto :-P and I agree that it will all sort itself out in the first couple weeks !

@Matt E - Thanks so much for the helpful reminder about how to properly pack a frameless pack - particularly the Exodus -- I'll try it out and look for great things from this method !

I hope to see any or all of you out on the trail at some point - my trail name is CTWhistler - I'll be watching for ya :-)

Matthew Zion
(mzion) - F

Locale: Boulder, CO
Re: Smokies Jaunt on 02/08/2011 19:46:35 MST Print View

Good luck on the hike. I have trail fever so I bought plane tickets a week ago. So, if you find yourself somewhere between Franklin and I-40 between Mar 19 and 26 I can do the vetoing in person.

Seth Brewer
(Whistler) - MLife

Locale: www.peaksandvalleys.weebly.com
Re: Trail Fever on 02/08/2011 19:56:59 MST Print View

I totally hear you Matthew - I'm getting twitchy with all this ice/snow ...mainly ice.... that we've been having on the east coast...I wanna go for some test hikes but the weather is crap...and I'm still waiting for some stuff to arrive that was ordered....If I'm in the Franklin area around that time i'll look for the guy with the long checklist and red marking pen :-P