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Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: was it Jay Wilerson? on 01/23/2011 20:52:55 MST Print View

Since I have never slept inside Coe Park, I guess that lets me off the hook.


cary bertoncini
(cbert) - F

Locale: N. California
Bob--am I confusing you with someone else? on 01/23/2011 20:55:40 MST Print View

I think I must be

coulda sworn you were on that trip two years ago

cary bertoncini
(cbert) - F

Locale: N. California
Yup--I was thinking of Bob Blean on 01/23/2011 21:00:16 MST Print View

maybe I am experiencing a potassium deficiency (judging from my misspelling of Jay's last name above...ha)

te - wa
(mikeinfhaz) - F

Locale: Phoenix
Re: Loud Music on 01/23/2011 21:01:28 MST Print View

i agree, music on a loudspeaker (audible for 50' or more) has NO PLACE in the woods. want to listen to your ipod? do it at home in a backyard barbeque setting.
of course, when you bring up the topic that their music is not desirable, they argue. I even had one undesirable tell me "if you dont like my music, dont come hiking with me"
thanks for this invitation, but im one step ahead of you. even worse, this rancid attitude came from an experienced, well diciplined and influential leader of a hiking club. i of course, quit that hiking club.

i have seen even worse things like gunshooting from a forest road, directly into the forest where trails exist (i was unknowingly shot at, several times while hiking with my 1yr old baby) and its just irresponsible and stinky. I had to yell "theres a hiking trail over here" and lo and behold, half an hour later while i was camped about 1/3 mile away, the shooting started again.

same goes for my last pet peeve, destroying local scenery. cutting down a live tree is nearly as bad as destroying petroglyhs. just plain Ignorant!
stay out of the wilderness and keep your watered down, fizzy yellow alchohol-water at the nascar race, where it belongs.

off my soapbox now. peace out.

cary bertoncini
(cbert) - F

Locale: N. California
i was nearly shot once while hiking/fishing on 01/23/2011 21:07:58 MST Print View

in El Dorado National Forest

someone was firing a rifle from across the canyon--the bullets were whipping into the ground, ferns and tree trunks only 10-20 feet from me but probably almost a half mile from the other side of the canyon--can't even imagine what they thought they were shooting at (pinecones in trees above them or something?)

so i started screaming as if i'd been hit

the shooting stopped

Matthew Zion
(mzion) - F

Locale: Boulder, CO
Re: Dish Washing on 01/23/2011 21:10:46 MST Print View

When I was in Maine this summer I crossed probably a dozen groups from different camps. All of which were traveling in groups of 10+ causing high impact. Caught a one of these groups, all girls, doing their dishes in a spring. That really sent me over the edge and gave them all a pretty harsh piece of my mind. Later, I wished I had handled it differently but hopefully they won't be washing dishes in water sources in the future.

I've also run into mountain bikers on foot travel only. I haven't run into people cutting down trees but I find building fires bad form to begin with.

I know its public property but I really hate the idea that people not versed in LNT or have no appreciation for it still get access to MY (insert 'Our' if you will) wilderness areas.

Wow. Shot at, that is ridiculous. Again, reinforcing, access should be a privilege not a right.

Edited by mzion on 01/23/2011 21:15:20 MST.

Angela Zukowski
(AngelaZ) - F

Locale: New England
bad behavior... on 01/23/2011 21:34:01 MST Print View

Poop... directly on the path to a privy.

A couple exercising absolutely no discretion and getting it on... literally right next to me in a shelter. (I got up and slept in the grass)

Dirk Rabdau
(dirk9827) - F

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Re: Bad Behavior on 01/23/2011 22:06:24 MST Print View

My experience has been that the vast majority of bad behavior happens in close proximity of roads and or road-accessible campisites. On that note, I recall crossing one of the many forest services roads while hiking in the vicinity of Mt. Adams and the Goat Rocks here in Washington, and while getting my bearings on the map, I stopped along a dirt road. Well, this truck drives slowly by and the driver looks at me and slowly drives off. A few minutes later, he returns, looks at me and passes by. By the this time, I kind of wondered what he was doing. I wait. Sure enough, ten minutes pass by and he drives by again, looks at me, and asks, "Seen any elk?"

While the subject of hunting can be a devisive one, I was fairly unhappy by this guy's technique. He was obviously driving around, hoping to basically run into a elk standing unawares. If you are too lazy to get out of truck to look for yourself, well, you haven't any respect for the animal you seek. There was a large herd just 1.5 miles from where I stood, but I answered in the negative. No matter how one feels about hunting, the fact is it's called "hunting" and not "getting."

Edited by dirk9827 on 01/23/2011 22:07:29 MST.

Martha S.
(kitfox) - F
Still more bad behavior on 01/23/2011 22:42:39 MST Print View

I was out in Robber's Roost in Utah with my group a few years back, exploring a side canyon. We came to an unclimbable pour-over at the end to find a half-dozen HUGE sets of initials carved into the red sandstone walls with rocks.

Not content to deface a lovely scene, these folks had defecated in the sand below their handiwork and left banners of toilet paper to further embellish it. They must have been a few hours ahead of us at most.

We buried the mess and spent the afternoon scrubbing out the initials with rocks of our own -- we left a pretty large light patch in the sandstone, but over time it will darken again -- without the initials.


Steven Hanlon
(asciibaron) - F

Locale: Mid Atlantic
the worst i've seen... on 01/24/2011 09:35:18 MST Print View

a very scorched earth and some very damaged trees from a stupid big fire. the flames easily reached 20 feet up based on the damage to the limbs over the area. it must have been one helluva party :/

Sarah Kirkconnell
(sarbar) - F

Locale: In the shadow of Mt. Rainier
Re: the worst i've seen... on 01/24/2011 13:49:54 MST Print View

Spent a night years ago with a set of idiots across a lake that attempted to use the "no fires in lake basin" sign to start their illegal fire.

A couple years later we encountered a group of kids, 2 teen boys, 2 teen girls who had hiked in with a large boom box and decided to camp in a shelter in the Olympics. There was a fire ban on. Later that evening below us we see a fire. They had ripped off parts of the roof to start it. Two of our party went down and had a man to man talk with them. The fire went out and they replaced the shingles they had not burnt. Not cool at all.

Ken Helwig
(kennyhel77) - MLife

Locale: Scotts Valley CA via San Jose, CA
Re: Re: the worst i've seen... on 01/24/2011 15:42:54 MST Print View

a women squating in the middle of a trail that is heavily used peeing right smack in the middle. It was a mile from the trailhead on the way to Rancheria Falls in April or so. Turned a bend and there she was with her husband and kid. I clanked my poles and embrassed them alot

Randy Nelson
(rlnunix) - F - M

Locale: Rockies
Bad on 01/24/2011 16:02:15 MST Print View

Last Memorial Day weekend I decided to do a loop in Lost Creek Wilderness thinking it wouldn't bee too bad. But I hadn't been on this loop before and at the end of the day I found myself in the middle of a flat stretch of trail maybe 5 miles from where it can be easily accessed. After seeing barely anyone on the other trails that day, this one was crowded since it was so easy to walk in on. But dark was approaching and when I found a likely spot, I hiked off trail for a bit and found a good place to camp. All was well and I was in my tent reading before going to sleep when there were 3 gunshots. I was wondering if that was intentional and a few minutes later, there were 3 more. I still wasn't convinced it wasn't just some yahoos but decided I'd better get up in case it was a real emergency. Shortly after, the gunfire erupted in earnest and I knew it was yahoos, put my earplugs in and got back in my bag. It stopped after a while and I took the earplugs out before I fell asleep. 3 in the morning it started again. Earplugs back in and back to sleep. I got up early in the morning and hit the trail. I'm normally very friendly on the trail but every camp I passed could have been the ones and I just blew past each one even though they were most likely as annoyed as I was with the actual idiots.

The other bad behavior that bothers me is snowmobilers who don't know or don't care when they enter an area that they aren't allowed in.

Sarah Kirkconnell
(sarbar) - F

Locale: In the shadow of Mt. Rainier
Re: Re: Re: the worst i've seen... on 01/24/2011 16:13:19 MST Print View

Technically peeing on the trail is better than peeing on vegetation......animals can't do resource damage when they come for the salt.

Travis Leanna
(T.L.) - MLife

Locale: Wisconsin
Re: Bad on 01/24/2011 16:22:20 MST Print View

Not while hiking, but same idea....

My family has property in northern Wisconsin along a dirt road hidden relatively deep within the forest. There are several lots along this road, many of which are simply untouched forest lots. There are often people who will pull into these lots and party for the night. If things are cleaned up and taken care of, (which they usually are) I can't complain too much--though I still don't like it. But one time especially set me off. I had noticed this truck parked on the road throughout the weekend. Eventually I figured out they were just parking there to party. While driving past the lot on a sunday morning, I noticed the truck was gone, but something caught my eye. Smoke! I walked to the spot where they had a campfire the previous night. This thing was still smoldering quite well. No fire ring, no rocks, and they didn't even clear out some bare ground to have the fire on. I went to get some buckets of water, and within the 5 minutes it took me to return, flames had started up. There were dead pine boughs that couldn't have been more than a couple of feet away from this fire.

Just the sheer disrespect and blatant ignorance (STUPIDITY!) sent me through the roof. I wish I had taken a plate number. Next time I will. I simply can't stand people like that.

Cory Whitesell
(Coryw) - F

Locale: Midwest
cannon on 01/24/2011 18:09:08 MST Print View

We were camping near Auxier Ridge in the Red River Gorge this fall. We heard several gunshots through the evening from somewhere in the area. Then, well after midnight they set off a large cannon or pipe bomb of some sort.

Two weeks later, some people let a backcountry fire get out of control in that same area and it burned 1,000+ acres of Auxier Ridge area.

My son, dad, brother and nephews have been backpacking there every fall for a few years now. when I told my son the area burnt, tears welled up in his eyes.

I just don't understand.

Travis Leanna
(T.L.) - MLife

Locale: Wisconsin
Re: cannon on 01/24/2011 21:23:57 MST Print View

>Two weeks later, some people let a backcountry fire get out of control in that same area and it burned 1,000+ acres of Auxier Ridge area.

>My son, dad, brother and nephews have been backpacking there every fall for a few years now. when I told my son the area burnt, tears welled up in his eyes.

Legitimate accidents happen, but a lot of the time its carelessness. For some reason I am more saddened by stuff like this than many of the shootings, bombings, and other atrocities that saturate the news. Not always, but quite often. I wonder what that says about me.... :/

Brian Hall
Hunters on 01/25/2011 11:55:35 MST Print View

Me and a friend of mine were doing the Georgia section of the Bartram Trail. We woke up around 6am to the sound of someone unzipping the fly on our tent. A guy wearing camo and a rifle slung over his shoulder pokes his head inside of the tent. He then says oh, im sorry, I didn't know if anybody was in here. We were camped next to the Chattooga River, the one that Deliverance was filmed on lol.

I also can't stand the groups of 10+ partiers that always seem to show up after midnight and can be heard 5 miles away.

Richard Gless
(rgless) - MLife

Locale: San Francisco Bay Area
Bad Behavior on 01/25/2011 12:24:59 MST Print View

The worst behavior I've seen over the years include:

1. Used disposable diapers left unburied in the Lyell Fork area in Yosemite.

2. A kid target shooting with his rifle just south of Sonora Pass. He didn't realize he was shooting towards a heavily used trail.

3. A group shooting off fireworks including bottle rockets at Gem Lake in Emmigrant Wilderness, CA on the July 4th weekend. They were drunk and weren't paying any attention to where the rockets went. This was surprising since Gem Lake is about 9 miles in. Usually the people who are willing to walk in that far show more sense.

Sarah Kirkconnell
(sarbar) - F

Locale: In the shadow of Mt. Rainier
Re: Hunters on 01/25/2011 12:38:57 MST Print View

Brian...if that had been my tent the hunter would have had a 45 in his face.