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Which pad combo for R8?
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S Long

Locale: Wasatch
Which pad combo for R8? on 11/16/2010 00:06:27 MST Print View

I am looking for a sleeping pad combo to equal an R value of approximately 8. I plan to use a Gossamer Gear Thinlite 1/8" on bottom, an inflatable pad between, and a Gossamer Gear Thinlite 3/8" on top. The question is, what should the intermediate inflatable be? The two thinlite pads give me an R-value of about 1.8. Close enough to 2 for me. So I need a pad that has an R-value of 6 or better. I have been thinking of a POE Hyper Elite at an R-value of 5-14 and 19.5 oz., an Exped Downmat7 pump at R-value 5.9 and 32 oz., or a custom Kookabay synthetic fill mat. I want the CCF in the system for redundancy. I don't want to have a pad failure in the back country at temps. low enough to warrant an R8 rating. Is this paranoid thinking on my part? Any recommendations for or against any of these options? Any other options I've missed? Thanks.

Hendrik Morkel
(skullmonkey) - MLife

Locale: Finland
Re: Which pad combo for R8? on 11/16/2010 03:22:52 MST Print View

Where, what ground, and what temperature are you planning to camp on? By the sound of it it is Alpine Mountaineering on over 2000 m elevation.

James Klein

Locale: Southeast
R8 recommendation on 11/16/2010 07:59:58 MST Print View

I would recommend trying to get the Rvalue of the CC pads closer to 3 (at least at your torso) and having bender make you a custom DAM to cover the difference. In addition to the gossamer pads I would look at the zlite / ridgerest pads.
This gives you a little margin in case your air mat fails -- if you figure you need R-8 I guess it wouldn't hurt to consider said failure.


Brad Groves
(4quietwoods) - MLife

Locale: Michigan
Re: Which pad combo for R8? on 11/16/2010 10:01:43 MST Print View

The DM7 is a great pad. I think you could get a down Kookabay w/similar R-value for nearly 1/2 the weight, might add some extra down just to cover your bases, as it were. I haven't used the Hyper Elite, but it seems like a good option.

It's not really paranoid thinking to have redundancy in this way. But since I started using self-inflaters in the mid-80s or so I've never put a hole in one, nor in my air mats. They travel in my pack & go straight into the tent. Where I've personally found myself using a CCF/inflatable combo is when I've been trying to boost the R-value of a pad... ie a R-4 pad w/a ridge rest gets to ~R-6.

S Long

Locale: Wasatch
Re: Re: Which pad combo for R8? on 11/16/2010 12:59:33 MST Print View

Alpine mountaineering is the environment for this setup. Aconcagua in 2011, Denali in 2012, and a LOT of training trips before, between, and after.

Richard Fischel
it's not paranoia if somebody is out to get you on 11/16/2010 19:40:15 MST Print View

i have on more than one occasion seen inflatable sleeping pads left irreparable by a misplaced crampon. it's one thing to have that happen in the cascades or mt washington where it can be worked around as apposed to some multi-week expedition like denali. there's more than one high altitude specialist that wouldn't include an inflatable pad in their sleeping system for just that reason. that being said there are those that do and with few exceptions the guided trips combine an inflatable with a closed cell foam pad, but not nearly achieving your r-value. i think your system is overkill for a aconcagua.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: it's not paranoia if somebody is out to get you on 11/16/2010 20:08:29 MST Print View

I don't think you will want to juggle the complexities of three layers of sleeping pad. Normally I use one layer for summer and two layers for winter. For summer on Aconcagua, I used two layers. One was a 3/4 length Thermarest (1") and one was a 3/4 length of cheap CCF. Then I had plenty of thick clothing to augment that if there had been a failure.

One guy almost had his sleeping bag blow away in a gust of wind. That is a human failure that you can't afford.


S Long

Locale: Wasatch
Re: Re: it's not paranoia if somebody is out to get you on 11/16/2010 20:25:12 MST Print View

Definitely overkill for Aconcagua. Would an R-value of 5 probably be okay if only camping on snow? Seems like much more than 5 is overkill on snow and ice.

kevin timm
(ktimm) - MLife

Locale: Colorado (SeekOutside)
Mats my 02 on 11/16/2010 21:25:30 MST Print View

Personally I wouldn't use inflatables on a long expedition. I've seen them fail on different pads on consecutive trips (one was a slickrock trip ouch). I don't even use a inflatable by itself now, if I'm going with only one I go CCF and have just learned to sleep comfy on it.
If I could I might take an inflatable torso length for comfort.

Hendrik Morkel
(skullmonkey) - MLife

Locale: Finland
Re: Re: Re: it's not paranoia if somebody is out to get you on 11/17/2010 10:54:18 MST Print View

R Value of 5 is perfect for Snow, yes.

Mulitmat Adventure or Ridge Rest Solar + a inflatable of choice and you're set.