World's Lightest Down Pants
Display Avatars Sort By:
Ben Smith
(goosefeet) - MLife

Locale: Georgia
World's Lightest Down Pants on 11/15/2010 20:11:23 MST Print View

Some lucky BPL'er is now the proud owner of the world's lightest down pants! These are made from 0.51oz cuben fiber, with 3oz of 900 fill down.

The weight is 141.6 grams (4.99 oz) without the stuffsack. With the stuffsack, they are 5.11 oz.

So, this means that 60.1% of the weight is down!


cuben down pants

todd harper
(funnymoney) - MLife

Locale: Sunshine State
Re: World's Lightest Down Pants on 11/15/2010 20:15:29 MST Print View

Whoa!!!!!!!!!! Those look awesome!

Weiyi Wang
(wwyjedi)

Locale: mid
water resistance? on 11/15/2010 20:39:49 MST Print View

The cuben fiber is waterproof, so only the stitches can leak water. am i right?

Ben Smith
(goosefeet) - MLife

Locale: Georgia
Re: water resistance? on 11/15/2010 20:44:12 MST Print View

That is correct.

tyler marlow
(like.sisyphus) - F

Locale: UTAH
Temptation on 11/15/2010 21:13:26 MST Print View

Will you be selling these regularly from you site?

If so, any idea on the cost?


And these look awesome

Edited by like.sisyphus on 11/15/2010 21:13:58 MST.

Brian Senez
(bsenez) - MLife

Locale: New England
re: World's Lightest Down Pants on 11/15/2010 21:33:39 MST Print View

The pants look awesome Ben, I can't wait to try them out.

Now I just need a matching jacket :)

Thank you!

Ike Mouser
(isaac.mouser) - F
Filling them with down on 11/15/2010 21:59:56 MST Print View

How did you fill them? With an eductor? That seems extremely difficult to fill.

Konrad .
(Konrad1013) - MLife
nice!! on 11/15/2010 22:39:06 MST Print View

Ben, are you regularly stocking cuben fiber and 900 FP down as an additional option for all your products?

Edited by Konrad1013 on 11/15/2010 22:41:17 MST.

KEN LARSON
(KENLARSON) - MLife

Locale: Western Michigan
Down Pants Weight Reduction on 11/16/2010 06:23:22 MST Print View

Ben....Your say, "Some lucky BPL'er is now the proud owner of the world's lightest down pants!"
What type of price tag are you planning for them?


For comparison purposes for other readers:
• Goose Feet (yours) are made from 0.51oz cuben fiber, with 3oz of 900 down fill. The weight is 4.99 oz/141.6 g without the stuff sack/.12 oz/3.4 g. With the stuff sack, they are 5.11 oz.
• My Medium MONTBELL DOWN PANTS are made from 15-denier Ballistic Airlight nylon shell, with 2.0 oz of 800 down fill.
Their weight is 7.1 oz/201.3 g without the stuff sack/stuff sack .25 oz/7.1 grams. With stuff sack 7.3 oz. PRICE: $150

Jim Larkey
(jimlarkey) - MLife

Locale: NoCO
Noisey? on 11/16/2010 06:38:28 MST Print View

Are the pants noisy...like crinkly? Excuse my ignorance, but I'm not familiar with cuben fiber.
Cheers,
jim

Ben Smith
(goosefeet) - MLife

Locale: Georgia
Re: World's Lightest Down Pants on 11/16/2010 11:30:28 MST Print View

Tyler/Ken - I will not be putting these on my website for right now, I'm not ready for full time production, but I will do them as a custom order. They are $250 shipped.

Ike - I fill all my products using the mesh-over-tube Shop-Vac method. PM me if you need further details.

Konrad - I can source any materials that are available to consumers to make my products out of. I don't necessarily stock everything, though.

Jim - Cuben Fiber is an interesting fabric. It is stiffer than nylon or silnylon, but is not really crinkly. On a noise scale from 1 to 10, I would rate nylon as a 2, silnylon as a 3.5, cuben fiber as a 5, spinnaker as an 8, and the recyclable Sun Chips bags as a 10.

Adam Kramer
(rbeard) - F

Locale: ATL, Southern Appalachia
Re: Re: World's Lightest Down Pants on 11/16/2010 11:54:35 MST Print View

"recyclable Sun Chips bags as a 10"

loudest material i have ever encountered.

pants look GREAT...wondering if you could shift all the down to the front allowing you to moon the hikers behind you while still keeping the pants on. just a thought.

Ben Smith
(goosefeet) - MLife

Locale: Georgia
Re: Re: Re: World's Lightest Down Pants on 11/16/2010 11:58:25 MST Print View

rbeard - Yes, that is possible, but I do not endorse this use of the product and cannot be held responsible for any harm that may befall you during this use.


:)

Ben Smith
(goosefeet) - MLife

Locale: Georgia
Re: World's Lightest Down Pants on 11/16/2010 17:42:26 MST Print View

I will be putting in an order for cuben tomorrow, so if anyone wants to have any input on colors other than white, I need to know. Send me an email at goosefeet AT hotmail DOT com to place an order.

- Ben Smith

John McAlpine
(HairlessApe) - M

Locale: PNW
Green or Black on 11/17/2010 09:05:31 MST Print View

Green or black would be a good color for pants.

Hikin' Jim
(hikin_jim) - MLife

Locale: Orange County, CA, USA
Re: World's Lightest Down Pants on 11/18/2010 16:32:24 MST Print View

So if the pants are made of cuben and cuben is essentially waterproof, then these pants aren't going to pass water vapor.

If one were to sleep in them, would they act as a vapor barrier?

HJ

eric chan
(bearbreeder) - F
cuben on 11/18/2010 16:41:40 MST Print View

cuben clothes would be a VBL, unless there were breathable strips/vents

Brian Senez
(bsenez) - MLife

Locale: New England
re: more pictures and info on 11/18/2010 19:39:27 MST Print View

Today I received my cuben / down pants and they look great.

My intended use of these is at camp and when sleeping for temperatures of 20F to around 0F. Ben was great to work with, and the pants are custom fit. After discussing the pants for a couple days I paid on November 10th and received the pants today the 18th.

Here is a picture of me wearing the pants, I asked for several inches of additional rise so I will get excellent overlap coverage with a jacket on. These may not be the height of fashion, but they are very warm!

cuben down pants 1

Laid out flat and doubled over they measure 5.5-6" which indicates about 1.5" of single layer loft. Ben suggested upgrading to the 900 fill down and I asked that he use a little less. I think the vbl effect provided by the cuben will make these very warm.

cuben down pants 2

The only way air can get in to loft the down is through the needle holes where it is sewn. The pants take a couple minutes to fully loft.

cuben down pants 3

These pants use the .51 cuben which is very strong.

The noise is not a big deal, I don't think they are loud. Quieter than a plastic grocery bag.

Now I just need a matching jacket. :)

Edited by bsenez on 11/18/2010 19:41:35 MST.

Hikin' Jim
(hikin_jim) - MLife

Locale: Orange County, CA, USA
Re: World's Lightest Down Pants on 11/18/2010 19:48:16 MST Print View

Brian:

What is the final weight of the pants? And, if you feel comfortable saying, what was the price?

HJ

Ben Smith
(goosefeet) - MLife

Locale: Georgia
Re: re: more pictures and info on 11/18/2010 19:48:34 MST Print View

Glad you like them, Brian!

Let me know how they do in the field, and hopefully I can come up with a cuben jacket for you!

- Ben