Bark-eater

Cool name by the way. The amines in uncured epoxy are nothing compared to "ure"thanes, I've worked with both for years. It is the uncured resins that pose a heath risk in both of these, not cured product. But to each his own, especially when it comes to plastics. The beer can debate has pretty well already polorized this arguement. We work with one of the largest carbon fiber manufactures in the US, and build some of our own carbon fiber products from scratch also. We were in direct contact with resin and fiber manufactures when we started building the carbon lids, and its a non-issue. As long as you have water in the pot, it cant exceed working temp. Working temps are well under the temps at which the plastic will degrade/decompose. There is a very small amount of resin there anyway, and the carbon is of course neutral.

Besides you cant buy the Tii Kettle anyway.

Does anyone have some ultralight tar and feathers? ;)

The Tii kettle is a clear departure from the Backcountry Boiler and as such is a legitimate venture. It's not Josh's obligation to give others who may offer something in the same general class of devices a "sporting head start." I've got no beef with the Tii. On the contrary, I think it's great that innovation is sparking innovation. I think the perpendicular walls of the burning vessel on the Tii will give it greater stability over other designs.

Now, the market will take over. Those unfamiliar with Darren's perfidy may well purchase the relatively inexpensive mKettle even though it's heavier than the BC Boiler. Those with the cash may shell out for the very light weight Tii. With all of the innovations popping up, I wouldn't be surprised to see a few more before we're done.

HJ

"Does anyone have some ultralight tar and feathers? ;)"

Olive oil and goose down.

--B.G.--

Oké where can I pre-order this titanium unobtainium alloy axe (understanding that the ingredients of the alloy is secret)?

Indeed I don't like this TiGoat bashing thread it's about nothing, no patents violated. A bit of copying which was sort of accepted after explanation and then some improvement which wasn't accepted by some and resulted in a call for a boycot by....japanese people. Inhabitants of japan are used to copying and improving. Strange/silly people here on this forum.

Edited by zuma_nl on 02/15/2011 09:06:13 MST.

>Strange/silly people here on this forum.

Odd way to introduce yourself to this community.

I think this is a member, that most likely already posted on this thread, who went through the trouble of registering as a guest to add another couple of cents, anonymously. Nothing really to base this on, but probably not far fetched. Fine with me.

My "2nd explanation of alternative construction for manufacture" seems to have been lost under more debate.

I think we need to field test this axe first ... 3 samples please.

More mundanely:
Nice wall ornament, but no use in the field. Titanium does not hold an adequate edge, and the head will be far too light to cut anything.
(Oh shut up Roger!)

Cheers

Sorry again, Alan!

I think I do understand what you're saying, but deep drawing a non-cylindrical part like that would still cost a lot more until volume got up to the level of, well, soda cans. :)

Try that DIY version, I'd love to see it.

Best,
Devin

Subject says it all, very pretty.
No weight, no edge.
As useful as an ash tray on Harley.

Nah, you miss the point about what unobtanium offers when alloyed to titanium. It creates a seriously hard edge, one that never, ever needs sharpening. And we don't need no stinkin' weight--all we're going to use it for is to baton wood and behead pesky marmots. Oh, and to look quite cool during happy hour at the hikers' bar.

Tell you what, Josh, send me 4 prototypes. I'll take the pick of the litter and do some serious beta, and send the others on to Roger for austral testing. Who knows, maybe unobtanium performs differently down under. We need to find out, for science.

"More mundanely:
Nice wall ornament, but no use in the field. Titanium does not hold an adequate edge, and the head will be far too light to cut anything."

I'd like to point out that, other than his tongue-in-cheek post, Josh hasn't said the axe is made of titanium. At least not that I can see.

"Nice wall ornament, but no use in the field. Titanium does not hold an adequate edge"


Didn't I mention that it would be more awesome than expected Roger? Have some faith brother. ;)

Actually it will split stuff in the 3" range nicly, like it was a 24+oz axe, even though it only weighs 4oz. AND its titanium blade will hold an edge forever, No joke.

Ide: I'd like to point out that, other than his tongue-in-cheek post, Josh hasn't said the axe is made of titanium. At least not that I can see.

Josh: AND its titanium blade will hold an edge forever

Ide: Of course, I could be wrong......

> I'll take the pick of the litter and do some serious beta, and send the others on to Roger for austral testing.

That should be astral testing?

Cheers

Mwoah oké,

No member with a second account. Indeed a newby. Some introduction:
Male, Dutch, basic pack weight 8 kg's and looking for ways to be able to trek with my family consisting of me, wife two small kids without having to carry too much. So i'm intersted in large ultralightweight tipi's, woodburning etc. TiGoat is known by me for it's ultralight but big tipi's and smart ideas to keep things light. I Stumbled on this thread by following TiGoat references on twitter. I saw the call for boycot.

Professional I have a background in competition law. And from a professional point of view this whole copying business and calling for a boycot of TiGoat is just plain silly and sort of having long toes. I wouldn't have bother to join hadn't I seen that Axe!

Back to the Axe: I want to import 50 of these babies to my country, ofcourse against a wholesale tarrif.

Edited by zuma_nl on 02/16/2011 03:31:40 MST.

Tired of the Kettle talk - I have a boiler on preorder here and would probably buy the TiiKettle if sold.

Me want TiiAxe!!! Can you give it a hammer pole on the other end for double duty as a stake pounder? My 1.75 lb Fort Turner Trapper Hawk needs a lighter alternative.

~Dan

Edited by DannyBoy2k on 02/16/2011 06:56:30 MST.

I'm a bit of an axe collector..... actually axes where the focus of my acquisition disorder for a number of years, but I can make a broad axe sing...

To the point: I prefer to baton my fire wood with a larger "survival knife". I find it to be much safer feeling when cold, tired, and needing to wear gloves in subzero temps. It also is more suitable to baton wood when your inside a heated tent, as there is less risk of adding ventilation to the tent as well as your self.

I believe that a suitable hack knife or froe could be made from titanium. I would give it a convex edge geometry for splitting and durability. Big knives are often referred to as "sharpened crowbars" and this could do service as a dual use "sharpened potty trowel"

While titanium is "soft" for holding an edge, for this application a UL version of a carbide garden tool sharpener would maintain the edge, and also serve as the best fire-steel striker you ever saw.

James,

TSS (me) has a larger more knife shaped bush tool in the works made from Ti along the same lines as TiGoat's hatchet. They'll make versatile companions.


Josh and I have a solution for the edge retention problem, and it's much beefier than a carbide garden tool sharpener. ;)


I may have said too much already, so that's all I'll be saying. :P

Edited by jdempsey on 02/16/2011 07:34:01 MST.