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 Bob Bankhead (wandering_bob) - MLife Locale: Oregon, USA Multi-pad Ground Sheet on 08/16/2006 08:04:43 MDT Nice concept, but my calculator says it weighs 16.8 ounces, not 14.89.9 + 4.1 + 2.6 + 0.2 = 16.8Wandering Bob
 cary bertoncini (cbert) - F Locale: N. California *BEEP* that's a big cat! on 08/16/2006 11:14:14 MDT nice pad concepti've been using a wicked fastbag - it has integrated straps to hold the pad to me, which I like. I also sometimes put torso pad INSIDE the sleeping bag.been thinking about getting one of those evazote pads from oware and then skipping a ground sheet - that and a torso inside my bag might be just about right for me.
 Mike Clelland (mikeclelland) - MLife Locale: The Tetons (via Idaho) I'm Math Challenged! on 08/20/2006 01:19:39 MDT Wandering Bob,Yes - you're right. I messed up on the math.Good catch. My number skills are minimal.And the cat is named PUDD (rymes with "could")M!
 Mike Clelland (mikeclelland) - MLife Locale: The Tetons (via Idaho) additional notes! on 08/22/2006 08:37:18 MDT ADDITIONAL NOTE:============I spend a lot of my summer up in alaska teaching expedition stuff for NOLS. So, I end up sleeping on snow in a big tent. For that, I have a different version of the pad system that I describe in the article above.I use a longer inflatable pad (a Therm-a-Rest 3/4 length ProLite 3) and glue enough yellow EVAZOTE to match my height. THen I added a short rectangle of nylon fabric to the head area, and this acts as a "stuff sack" (sort of) when it's all rolled up. No ground cloth. It comes in at 17.5 ounces. ALSO:Dale suggests using VELCRO as a way to secure the pads together. I have played with this in various configurations. It works pretty good. The one thing that should be noted is that sticky-back velcro doesn't make a good "seal" on some of the slick pad surfaces. It gets ripped off really easily. I've played with glues, stinky cements and various sizes of velcro. Alas, I haven't found the perfect solution - YET! It's a good idea, but it will take some R&D to perfect.peace from idaho...Mike!
 Carol Crooker (cmcrooker) - MLife Locale: Desert Southwest, USA pad weight on 08/22/2006 08:49:39 MDT Hey Bob,Thanks for catching the math error - fixed.
 Dale Wambaugh (dwambaugh) - MLife Locale: Pacific Northwest Getting Velcro to stick on 08/25/2006 22:17:40 MDT Stickyback Velcro is good on a smooth hard surface, but not on a flexible base. I've had good results with polyurethane glue (Gorilla Glue is one). In fact, if you hadn't mentioned Barge Cement, I would have reached for the polyurethane for the evazote/Torsolite combo. Watch for run-out-- it is messy to clean up.
 Kathy Bartosh (sumo) - F Locale: Southern Quebec sticky velcro on smooth hard surfaces on 09/06/2006 18:49:56 MDT Have you tried roughing up the hard surface with sand paper?
 Mike Clelland (mikeclelland) - MLife Locale: The Tetons (via Idaho) pad revision on 06/07/2007 08:16:18 MDT Hi there,Please note:I have recently removed the Tyvec sheet. I now use a VAPR bivy sack.peace,M!