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larry savage
(pyeyo) - F

Locale: pacific northwest
spelling!!! on 10/16/2010 12:30:40 MDT Print View

It's Scotland's OilI can too spell Scotland!

Edward Zwibel
(YetiEddie) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
My Post on 10/16/2010 17:25:31 MDT Print View

My post was not one soliciting for opinions. Do what you want and I'll do what I'm comfortable with. I have asked for extras from businesses and taken them backpacking. I don't care what you consider right or wrong. If you like getting condiments with your meal and using extras on the trail, post your ideas. Never would I have imagined this much opinion b.s. Bottom line is it doesn't matter. If you have any ideas post them. I've never seen so many people inserting opinion where it wasn't asked. That'll teach me huh?

Ken Helwig
(kennyhel77) - MLife

Locale: Scotts Valley CA via San Jose, CA
Re: My Post on 10/16/2010 17:26:44 MDT Print View

Edward I agree with ya! Some of the responses have been rather silly

Kat P.
(Kat_P) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Coast
:0 on 10/16/2010 18:55:40 MDT Print View

..sometimes I just can't help it..

Sarah Kirkconnell
(sarbar) - F

Locale: In the shadow of Mt. Rainier
Re: My Post on 10/16/2010 19:57:12 MDT Print View

Silly yes, but Larry has untapped talent. Lol!

Tom Kirchner
(ouzel) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
Re: Morals? on 10/16/2010 20:04:11 MDT Print View

"What about countries in the Middle East that you can't spell the name of, but you have no scruples about taking their oil?"

A citizen of The Commonwealth sermonizing about taking oil from the Middle East? Woo hoo, that's rich. ;-)

Diplomatic Mike
(MikefaeDundee)

Locale: Under a bush in Scotland
Re:Morals on 10/17/2010 03:17:00 MDT Print View

I thought that might get a bite! :)

I can't do anything about the past, but i hope i live to see a free, and independant, Scottish republic. I don't class myself as British, no matter what it says on my passport. ;)

P.S.
I've been known to borrow sachets of sauce.

Tom Kirchner
(ouzel) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
Re: Re:Morals on 10/18/2010 16:52:01 MDT Print View

"I can't do anything about the past, but i hope i live to see a free, and independant, Scottish republic."

I think you lads are getting pretty close to that dream. Good luck.

"P.S.
I've been known to borrow sachets of sauce."

My specialty is napkins. ;-)

Sarah Kirkconnell
(sarbar) - F

Locale: In the shadow of Mt. Rainier
Re: Napkins on 10/18/2010 20:13:51 MDT Print View

First thing I do whenever we rent a car when traveling? Load up on the napkins! You can never have enough napkins in a car.

I also claim that baby wants his cookies and a full can of juice when flying. 4 flights later the diaper bag is bulging with 8 cans of juice/pop and 8 single serving packets of snacks. Our trail snacks and drinks were taken care of. I sure as doodles didn't feel guilty considering how much we paid out $$ for Walker to have his own seat!

Tom Kirchner
(ouzel) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
Re: Re: Napkins on 10/19/2010 16:48:48 MDT Print View

"First thing I do whenever we rent a car when traveling? Load up on the napkins! You can never have enough napkins in a car."

+1 Talk about multi purpose gear. ;-)

Travis Leanna
(T.L.) - MLife

Locale: Wisconsin
Re: Re: Re: Napkins on 10/19/2010 19:49:21 MDT Print View

>+1 Talk about multi purpose gear. ;-)

napkin. kleenex. towel. eyeglass cleaner. firestarter. TP.

George Matthews
(gmatthews) - MLife
Re: Re:Morals on 10/19/2010 20:43:39 MDT Print View

One way to frame the situation:

LEGAL - the laws or The Line

MORAL - right and wrong - more or less like religious judgement - YMMV

ETHICS - somewhere in between the laws and morals lurk the ethics
This is the grey area

For example, the legal speed limit might be 65 MPH. You are heading for the trailhead at 70 MPH. This is clearly ILLEGAL. The law says 65 and you are 5 over.

Most would not say going 70 MPH is IMMORAL.

From an ethical standpoint - we get into safety and fuel consumption etc THE GREY. How many think it is UNETHICAL to go 70?

This is why snatching extra packets, spoons, etc is an ETHICAL argument. (where is your line)

Killing the cashier just because you are in a bad mood is ILLEGAL. (crossed the line)

Arguing with the fryer guy about abortion is a MORAL thing. (your beliefs)

Calling someone who takes "freebies" is thief is in the MORAL space.

It's like driving 70 MPH.

What I like to do is buy plastic spoons from Walmart. Then I sneak them into McDonalds and add them to the spoon pile. Now what am I when I come in the next day and take them back?

George Matthews
(gmatthews) - MLife
Re: Re: Re:bottom line on 10/19/2010 20:51:28 MDT Print View

http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=MCD+Interactive#chart1:symbol=mcd;range=1y;indicator=volume;charttype=line;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=on;source=undefined

Edited by gmatthews on 10/19/2010 20:53:32 MDT.

Gary Dunckel
(Zia-Grill-Guy) - MLife

Locale: Boulder
Ethics, moral issues, and the law on 10/19/2010 20:58:24 MDT Print View

You can break man's laws, but you can't break nature's laws.

The best freebies this summer were the handouts at the forest service offices, which they asked me to take--free day-glo shoelaces, Smokey the Bear coloring books, and cool packable pens that looked like a big farmer's match.

Hike your own hike, but don't forget to pay the campground fee.

Tom Kirchner
(ouzel) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
Re: Re: Re: Re: Napkins on 10/19/2010 21:00:14 MDT Print View

">+1 Talk about multi purpose gear. ;-)

napkin. kleenex. towel. eyeglass cleaner. firestarter. TP."

TP??!!! Beware the WRATH OF MIKE. ;(

Tom Kirchner
(ouzel) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
Re: Re: Re:Morals on 10/19/2010 21:03:26 MDT Print View

nm

Edited by ouzel on 10/19/2010 21:03:57 MDT.

Sarah Kirkconnell
(sarbar) - F

Locale: In the shadow of Mt. Rainier
Re: Smoky sezs 'take me home'! on 10/19/2010 21:45:48 MDT Print View

Gary, totally laughing about the NF freebies! The ruler I use in my office when I make FBC cozies is a green Smoky The Bear one. Hehheh!

Wallace Hunter
(jeepingetowah) - F

Locale: South Central
Here is to your Moral Compass on 01/08/2011 15:33:39 MST Print View

I read this whole thread and was just rolling on the ground laughing because not only was it funny, but it was SO CLOSE to the way I do things.

I took a minute to gauge how I wanted to permanently handle this type of scenario in the future. Do I want to "steal" or just give my self open opportunity to take from others?

Well I went to McDonald's today and they sold me a CASE... yes a CASE of salsa packets. Do check this link for all the details.

362 McDonald's Salsa packets

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: Re: Re: Napkins on 01/08/2011 17:33:05 MST Print View

"napkin. kleenex. towel. eyeglass cleaner. firestarter. TP."

Plus, it is a writing medium for your last will and testament. You know, just in case the stove blows up.

--B.G.--

Dug Shelby
(Pittsburgh) - F

Locale: Bay Area
Nice! on 01/10/2011 04:38:07 MST Print View

Love that you just outright bought a case of salsa packets!

This last week I grabbed a handful of salt and pepper packets from a McD's. Going to include some in my vacuum sealed dehydrated meals I'm making for my PCT thru. I'm a decent guy, never been to jail, don't push down old ladies in intersections or kick dogs for fun. Somehow, I've been able to sleep well in spite of my criminal behavior.

But I may have to follow suit and buy some condiments. I found a great olive oil dispenser this week (large saline eye solution bottles, leak proof) but the salsa sounds good...