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Boris Pashikyan
(shtormnamore) - F
Where to buy Pertex Endurance? on 10/05/2010 17:47:39 MDT Print View

I want to sew a jacket with Primaloft Sport. For the external fabric I want to use Pertex Endurance. Where to buy?

Steven Evans
(Steve_Evans) - MLife

Locale: Canada
Re: Where to buy Pertex Endurance? on 10/06/2010 00:18:25 MDT Print View

Ain't gonna happen. As far as I know, the Pertex fabrics are not available for purchase by the general DIY'er. I'd love to be wrong, so please correct me if so.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Where to buy Pertex Endurance? on 10/06/2010 00:54:41 MDT Print View

I bought my last Pertex some years ago, and I haven't seen it available since then.

--B.G.--

Javan Dempsey
(jdempsey)

Locale: The-Stateless-Society
Re: Re: Where to buy Pertex Endurance? on 10/06/2010 01:03:24 MDT Print View

Might be due to the failure of Perseverance Mills, the original manufacturer of Pertex fabrics, in 2005.

Mitsui bought the rights and have been manufacturing the fabrics in Japan since 2006, and as I understand it, many of the logistics changed subsequently.


edit: added a comma for clarity

Edited by jdempsey on 10/06/2010 01:04:41 MDT.

Boris Pashikyan
(shtormnamore) - F
EPIC on 10/06/2010 04:39:20 MDT Print View

Thank you. What are the alternatives? EPIC?

Bradford Rogers
(Mocs123) - MLife

Locale: Southeast Tennessee
Re: EPIC on 10/06/2010 06:57:42 MDT Print View

Momentum sold by Thru Hiker is a great Pertex replacement. I think it is similar to Pertex Quantum.

Nancy Twilley
(goodcaver2)

Locale: STL
outside the U.S. on 10/06/2010 08:14:40 MDT Print View

You can actually buy Pertex outside the U.S. from a few sources.

I got some last year while I was in Germany because I realized it was cheap and would be tough to get here in the U.S. Used it for a down quilt and a windshirt, both of which worked out well. Haven't used Momentum, so I can't compare sadly.

Here's a UK site selling Pertex 4, 5, 6, and 7, and something called "coated Pertex":
http://www.profabrics.co.uk/snap_product_search.php

And in Germany, there's Extremtextil:
Pertex 4:
http://www.extremtextil.de/catalog/Fabrics/uncoated/Nylon-downproof-Pertex-4-55-g-sqm::1154.html
Pertex classic:
http://www.extremtextil.de/catalog/Fabrics/uncoated/Ripstop-Nylon-Pertex-classic-downproof-50g-qm::1304.html

Edit: Oh, and also, this is called "Endurance"... I think maybe it might possibly be Pertex Endurance? Not really sure--you can email the guy who runs the site, he's nice.

http://www.extremtextil.de/catalog/Fabrics/breathable/Ripstop-Nylon-Endurance-laminate-65g-qm-2nd-choice::713.html

Edited by goodcaver2 on 10/06/2010 08:16:03 MDT.

Samuel C. Farrington
(scfhome) - M

Locale: Chocorua NH, USA
pertex on 10/06/2010 23:54:02 MDT Print View

Thank you, Nancy, for the supplier info.
BTW, do you know of anywhere to buy Pertex Shield?
Sam f.

Brad Groves
(4quietwoods) - MLife

Locale: Michigan
Re: Where to buy Pertex Endurance? on 10/07/2010 09:13:01 MDT Print View

I asked Pertex about fabric availability to MYOGers while at OR... they won't sell to individuals or to (most) wholesalers. Most of the really light stuff (Quantum) they do is in the sub 30 g/m2 weight range, not the 50-60 g/m2 range listed on the extremtextil stuff. That said, Endurance is being discontinued, so you might have luck finding it these places. You can also find Epic occasionally; might be worth cruising the FF website to see what they say about those fabrics.

Nancy Twilley
(goodcaver2)

Locale: STL
no problem on 10/07/2010 09:16:10 MDT Print View

No problem... and nope, don't know about Shield, sorry. The Extremtextil site did actually have some quantum at one point, but I assume they won't be getting it again, sadly.

Samuel C. Farrington
(scfhome) - M

Locale: Chocorua NH, USA
pertex on 10/07/2010 22:35:35 MDT Print View

Thanks, Nancy.
No problem.
Am planning to build a sort of 'Akto' type tent, but with a slightly pyramid shape,and haven't decided whether to use all silnylon with a nanonoseeum netting inner for the rear half, or to use Epic Malibu treated with Atsko or the like for the rear with no net inner, and silnylon only for the front half.
Am doing some rainy day fabric testing, (please, no hoots-have taken enough grief already for my primitive testing) and am leaning toward the Epic, but would not want to get the tent almost if not completely done and then find out that Pertex Shield or BD NanoShield is available somewhere. So, that's why I asked.
Guess risks have to be accepted, and I can always build another one.
Sam

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
epic on 10/09/2010 08:02:38 MDT Print View

You can buy Epic at http://www.owfinc.com/Fabrics/NylonWoven/WaterresistBreathable.asp#Duravent

However, I made a jacket out of Epic but it wets out in very little rain, I wouldn't bother using it.

Samuel C. Farrington
(scfhome) - M

Locale: Chocorua NH, USA
epic on 10/10/2010 22:20:28 MDT Print View

Jerry,
Quite a list you have of MYOG gear! Could you post some pics?
About the Epic - I had a similar experience with a Wild Things Epic pullover that quickly became saturated in a wind driven hail and rainstorm above treeline.
However, as I mentioned to you on another recent MYOG thread, I have been testing Epic (and silnylon) with 9" embroidery hoops weighted over bait buckets in rainstorms on my back deck. I was surprised to see that after a real nasty and lengthy storm, the Epic Malibu of the type formerly used by BD, both with and without Atsko treatment, had smaller wet out spots, less moistness on the inside, and no water in the bucket, compared to the silnylon, both samples of which had done very well on a Suter tester.
Maybe a greater problem with the silnylon is not just the amount of water resistance, or that it stretches while sewing, which can be overcome with practice and technique, but that it expands and contracts greatly on a shelter, leading to a lot of billowing (and therefore spattering), just the opposite of what one wants from a shelter. This makes it necessary to design a shelter that will cope with this, as both Warmlite and Roger have done very well; but it limits design choices a lot, and adds greatly to weight if you include a net or fabric inner. But with a good quality coating, the stretch makes it great for floors. Posted about this in Sept.
Hence the desire for light polyester fabrics for dome and single wall designs. The Pertex is nylon, according to the Point North, profabrics web site provided by Nancy, above; and I expect it would have the same stretch and sag issues as other nylons around 1 oz.(uncoated).
So, have not given up on Epic, yet. If I do, will opt for Cuben, knowing it will require a net inner (still lighter than Epic) and be a little noisy and a lot more expensive, especially if I have to buy enough to get the shaded stuff!
Sam

Edited by scfhome on 10/10/2010 22:32:50 MDT.