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Fred eric
(Fre49) - MLife

Locale: France, vallée de la Loire
stakes on 10/03/2010 06:07:49 MDT Print View

When i can I use Ti shepherd but for some of my hikes they were useless like for cape wrath trail :


ptipi


rocks every night on all stakes :)

same for artic circle trail on most nights or for my last hike in Broceliande forest.

So now when unsure i use a mix of them + 2-4 groundhogs for main guyline depending of shelter.
sometime a vargo nail ( the 14g one without a flattened section like the 8g one )

the v stakes i got with my shangri la 5 seems a not too bad

for snow i use 4 suluk 46 snow stakes for the 4 corners of my twin sisters / shangri la 5, rest is filles by snowshoes / hiking staff when i dont need them anymore

some unconventionnal use of my twin sisters :


igloo

Edited by Fre49 on 10/03/2010 12:15:39 MDT.

Rusty Beaver
(rustyb) - F

Locale: Rocky Mountains
Re: Fluorescent paint on 10/03/2010 10:03:21 MDT Print View

Hi,

I'm not aware of of any non-toxic paint that would hold up...or any paint for that matter. I tried applying paint on hot stakes hoping it would "bake" the paint on. Didn't work that well. Powder coating might work well but I'm guessing would negate the weight savings an ultra-lighter would be striving for?.?. I tried a 1/2" wide strip of red duct tape on the top of each stake. It worked ok...then the tape starting peeling off making for stickiness that attracted dirt.

Something I've been meaning to try is colored shrink wrap (a ~1/2" strip on the top of the stake). It can be obtained at electronic stores, would be easy to apply and should hold up a long while.

Acronym Esq
(acronym.esq) - F

Locale: TX
Re: Fluorescent paint on 10/03/2010 10:34:17 MDT Print View

> Any suggestions for a fluorescent paint that
> 1. Will not wear off titanium or aluminum, and
> 2. Is non-toxic.

Since no one has offered a suggestion yet, I can offer a negative data point. I have used the Rust-Oleum inverted marking paint on my Ti stakes. The fluorescent red-orange color is fantastic, but it wears off quickly dropping bright paint dust on just about everything (ground, pack, fingers, etc.). The MSDS indicates it is slightly toxic. I would not recommend it due to it's poor durability.

acronym 10/3/2010 11:33 AM

jeff pfeffer
(kaala) - F
Carbon stakes? on 10/03/2010 11:42:45 MDT Print View

Anyone tried tight carbon tent pegs?

Roger Caffin
(rcaffin) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
Re: Re: Fluorescent paint on 10/03/2010 15:05:49 MDT Print View

I use a bright orange epoxy primer. Seems to last pretty well.

Cheers

Roger Caffin
(rcaffin) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
Re: stakes on 10/03/2010 15:06:41 MDT Print View

Hi Fred

Hum - your orange tent seems a bit unconventional in shape. Was there by any chance a little wind? Or is it a cover over half an igloo?

Cheers

Edited by rcaffin on 10/03/2010 15:07:12 MDT.

Roger Caffin
(rcaffin) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
Re: Carbon stakes? on 10/03/2010 15:09:03 MDT Print View

> Anyone tried tight carbon tent pegs?

Yes, several have tried.
First, you need a point on them, otherwise the end shatters or splits when shoved into the ground. Second, you need a cap on them otherwise you can lose the guy rope. After all that has been added, the weight difference is minimal, but the stake is more fragile.

Cheers

jeff pfeffer
(kaala) - F
tigoat carbon stakes on 10/03/2010 17:26:48 MDT Print View

I was thinking about these tigoat premade ones. Seem pretty light at 0.3 oz for a 9 inch nail and .25 for a 6?

anybody tried them?

here's the link:

http://www.titaniumgoat.com/stakes.html

Dale Wambaugh
(dwambaugh) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Aluminum gutter spikes for tent stakes on 10/05/2010 15:18:53 MDT Print View

I forgot about one of my favorites, from the same school as the Kmart grease pot and Heineken cans: the 7" aluminum gutter spike. $4.59 for a pack of 10 at my local Ace Hardware, 0.4oz/11g each and really tough.

Aluminum gutter spikes for tent stakes

John S.
(jshann) - F
Re: Aluminum gutter spikes for tent stakes on 10/05/2010 17:25:07 MDT Print View

That stake is the most bendable there is in my experience.

Arthur Haskind
(Anubis) - F
Pegs needed on 07/22/2012 05:28:46 MDT Print View

Well her's my story. went hiking the GR10 last year about 1000 kilometers with my new Tarptent Rainbow. which came with these pegs http://media.rei.com/media/g/1103716.jpg
broke almost all of them within a month of use. I than had to buy generic no brand heavy duty metal pegs in a small shops in one of the villages along the Pyranees.

Now i am stuck with 4 pegs weiging 60g/2.1oz each.

i am looking for lighter option for pegs which will be used in a high alpine routes with sometimes hard soil.
from what i read in this thread the MSR groundhogs are the thoughest pegs around.
suggestions?

edited: no became no brand

Edited by Anubis on 07/23/2012 06:55:39 MDT.

Harald Hope
(hhope) - M

Locale: East Bay
nail pollish on 07/22/2012 11:41:14 MDT Print View

Sometimes it helps to step outside the hardware store aisle.

closeup of stakes

Stakes: Lawson ti hook. Lawson claims that curve does not twist, and, having seen no twist whatsoever so far anywhere on any ground type, I have to say he's probably right. These have been modified by sharpening them slightly, or making the tips more conical to be more accurate. The better to penetrate very tightly packed rocky soil. By the way, filing these tips down showed me how seriously hard the titanium he uses is. My files could barely get the material off, took a long time per stake.

Wandering around flea market, saw someone selling bright fluorescent nail polish, $1 a bottle, thought, hmm, that should work.

To prep, I sanded the tops, then applied two coats, let dry over warm heat source 24 hours, applied two more, cured more time. Can't remember if I did two more ontop of that, but you can basically see when you have enough coats because the color is not showing the ti coloration underneath.

That color showed up like a spotlight on the forest floor, but so would any fluorescent color I suspect.

As for what stakes, if you go to an impacted campsite, say, Point Reyes or some at Big sur, you know the type, hard ground, somewhat rocky, you will probably never get in an aluminum Y stake, you need a narrow one that can slip between the rocks. I've never seen any circumstance so far where stakes like the above were not totally fine (barring of course uncompacted sand or snow), but I've only backpacked in certain types of terrain.

The Lawson stakes were great on recent trip to Cascades, camping on forest duff each night, deep, plenty long, and easy to push in, easy to get around rocks in ground too, or tight roots.

Obviously not good for sand or snow, but that's self evident. Of course you have to use them right, angled in towards tent body, and all that.

Of the above styles of stakes, the ones I would be least likely to take are the bonded easton tubes, the kind tarptent for example ships, not into a head coming off, want a one piece stake.

Edited by hhope on 07/22/2012 11:54:56 MDT.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: nail pollish on 07/22/2012 14:02:03 MDT Print View

I paint the tops of my titanium stakes with luminous paint so that I can see them in the night and not stumble over them.

--B.G.--

M B
(livingontheroad) - M
stakes on 07/22/2012 14:15:08 MDT Print View

If the ground isnt good enough for the Ti stakes, put rocks on them. No big deal.
Or, use sticks, and put rocks on them.


In rocky soil, it may take a thin ti stake just to be able to push it in between rocks in the soil. I often have to try several times before getting one to go in.

Ron Berry
(squishware)

Locale: Southwest Florida
RE: Ti knives on 07/30/2012 23:03:50 MDT Print View

The trick to making a *functional* ti knife is to chisel grind it and carbidize the flat side. The soft titanium wears away making it pseudo self sharpening. I have a Mitchell Knives "The Drone" made in this manner. 1.5 ounces in the kydex sheath and gutted paracord chain.the Drone

Edited by squishware on 07/30/2012 23:12:10 MDT.

Khader Ahmad
(337guanacos) - F

Locale: Pirineos, Sierra de la Demanda
ti knives and aluminium stakes on 07/31/2012 08:08:06 MDT Print View

I've got two titanium knives, a cheap paring Spanish knife from Arcos, and the cheapest mission ti knive, the mpu-ti. Both are very sharp and hold the egde better than vg-10, but worse than r-2 or ou-31. The alloy is not 6AL4V, and there is not a trace of carbide in them.

Regardind neddle stakes (the square ones), Never broke one, can get them really cheap, and they aren't heavy enough to get worried.