Outside of a tea light stove, what alcohol stoves work well with a Snow Peak 600?

You're working with a small diameter there. I use the same mug. Been happy with my ULC from Trail Designs. The full size cone is more efficient, but was way to bulky for me. With the caddy that I would never use as a mug/bowl etc.. Are you looking for a stove that you can put the mug directly on? Or do you like a separate stove, stand, windscreen affair?

My problem with the tea light is the minuscule 0.5oz capacity -- which is sometimes not enough to bring my SP600 with 2 cups of water to a complete, rolling boil -- and refueling is slightly annoying to me.

Variation of the same theme -- thanks to Jason Klass -- I've had really good and consistent results pairing either SP600 or BPL Firelite 550 pot with a "wedding tin" alcohol stove -- which provides 1oz fuel capacity -- although only 0.75 oz. is actually needed most all the time. My stove setup -- with a piece of wire cloth as pot stand:







Windscreen and stove, along with up to 4oz of fuel, BIC lighter, spork and towel all fit nicely inside the pot -- making for a nice, compact 'kitchen'.

Edited by ben2world on 09/05/2010 00:35:26 MDT.

Ken: I'm open to any stove configuration that would accommodate the narrow diameter. In an ideal world, I would eventually settle on a cannister stove also that would work with the SP 600 too. Any ideas on that front also?

Ben: Do you have a problem with the flame being really sensitive to wind or oxygen supply? For some reason, I feel that all my attempts at using the tea light looks like there's not enough O2 or the wind blows the flame too much. I think it's the windscreen but can't put my finger on the problem.

Yes, it's the windscreen. You need some air to circulate and feed the flame, but not too much wind to blow the flame away from the pot bottom.

If you look at my windscreen, it should be a bit taller ideally. However, I wanted the screen to be able to nest inside the pot. It works well enough -- and the times when winds are really blowing, it's easy enough to mitigate by setting up in a protected area and by blocking some of the wind with your body, with larger rocks, etc.

I would say my stove boils 2 cups of water with 0.75 oz (three quarter full) fuel very consistently -- even when windy -- and I am very happy with it.

Some people really like Trail Designs 'caldera' system. I don't because I want my 'kitchen' to be both very light weight and very compact. And the caldera's are much too bulky when packed.

Pretty much all UL canister stove will work well with the SP600. Gigapower stoves and MSR PocketRocket are some that come to mind. With a narrower pot, just don't turn the valve all the way open as that makes for a wider (and more wasteful) flame.

Edited by ben2world on 09/05/2010 10:08:59 MDT.

If they make one, the Caldera 'ULC' is short enough that it will fit inside the pot for storage. It's a really nice solution. It gives you good efficiency, ease of use, and a really stable setup that won't get knocked/tipped over.

The windscreen is probably 20-25g (mine is 35g for a 1.3L pot) and then 12g for the stove and you've got a great, compact setup for under 1.5oz.

http://www.traildesigns.com/caldera-tt-ulc.html

Edited by dandydan on 09/05/2010 10:35:09 MDT.

One of the standard user mistakes with this rig is that they try to fit the windscreen to be too snug around the mug. Instead, work toward about 1/2 inch of air space all the way around between the windscreen and the mug.

--B.G.--

The Trail Designs provides a number of Caldera systems that completely fit inside the pot. Most of the Caldera-Keg cones fit completely inside the provided "Keg". As Dan mentioned, the narrow/tall pots can take advantage of the Caldera ULC that fits completely inside the pot. Finally, we just released the Caldera Sidewinder that will fit completely inside the shorter/wider pots sideways. This is turning out to be an extremely popular option.

Rand

Rand:

Do you have a set up option that fits inside a Firelite 550 or Snowpeak 600? If so, then you may have finally won me over. :)

As far as a canister stove goes I use a Snow Peak GST-100 manual(giga power) stove and like it very much. Been using it for 10 years now.

Take a look at some of the stoves from Minibulldesign, for instance the Bongo and the Atomic (both have a narrow flame suitable for the SP600)

http://minibulldesigncult.webs.com/apps/webstore/

>Do you have a set up option that fits inside a Firelite 550 or Snowpeak 600? If so, then you may have finally won me over. :)<

Ben,
Although I am not a fan of Esbit, if you want to go solid fuel check this out.

http://www.hammockforums.net/forum/showthread.php?t=21527

-Mark

Ooops! looks like that link is Members Only. See My post below for more info.-Sorry

Edited by markhurd on 09/05/2010 19:44:37 MDT.

Several years of avoiding this Caldera system ended last year with a Christmas gift and it has won me over with significant fuel savings....but the ULC would sure be sweet. I can see the design difficulty though with such a small pot. Trail Designs could use a Buckminster Fuller to figure this one out.

Bucky?
Naw... they've got Rand!

A poster at Hammock Forums that goes by MedicineMan recently posted the following:

"...The mug I chose is the MLD 475 which is smaller than even the Snow Peak 450 (or I should say lighter since the MLD doesn't have handles). I was already carrying a windscreen but what about a caldera cone for it-windscreen, pot stand, and fuel optimizer????
I contacted TrailDesigns/Rand Lindsy and discovered a little known Caldera Cone called the Fissure---its not advertised and more expensive but it will fit into the MLD 475 or the BPL Trapper.....you can't find a simpler mug than either of these two.
So how does a CC Fissure fit inside a small mug? It is a cone that is split around the middle-thus it's name (notice I said around the middle and not down the middle)...you essentially have two cones with one nestling on top of the other.
One problem for the MLD 475 is the lack of handles-a pain when it comes time to pour the hot liquid. TrailDesigns answered this problem a bail handle that is seen in the vid below.
The tot. weight of the Graham Cracker Stove (a simple stand that holds an Esbit tab), the Fisure, an aluminum pie pot lid, and the MLD mug is 3.6 ounces.
So far it is the lightest and smallest caldera cone setup that can accomodate the meals I'm most likely carrying."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxONI2oiVoI

Just passing this on to those who might be interested.

-Mark

Ben:

Does your BPL550 have handles......and do you run Esbit? If so, there's a chance we could do something for you that is similar to the video that Mark just posted. Would have to look at the geometry, but it's in the ball park.....

Rand

(Wooops.....just reviewed your previous post.....and I see your BPL550 DOES have handles and you run alcohol.....never mind)

Edited by randlindsly on 09/06/2010 01:32:59 MDT.

I use this stove with my SP 600

http://www.ultralightdesigns.com/products/cooking/blue-mini.html

really good boil time and no need for a pot stand
one of my Fav stoves

If you're looking for something even lighter and semi-pressurized then check out:

https://www.end2endtrailsupply.com/The_Gram_Weenie_Stove.html

George came up the GramWeenie originally which was kind of a tiny WhiteBox Stove. George published instructions on how to DIY and also sold the stove at End2endtrailsupply.com. His latest version is more like a miniature BIOS from MinibullDesigns.

What function does the gap between the pot and windscreen serve? I look at a Caldera cone and there is no gap yet it works well. I must be missing something.

Since it's a cone, it has a pretty decent gap, narrowing at the top, where they have holes for exhaust. If you have no gap, you restrict the airflow of non- or low-pressurized stoves. You can get by with no gap for a canister stove as you can see here