Breadlike foods
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Elizabeth Tracy
(mariposa) - M

Locale: Outside
Breadlike foods on 07/28/2010 12:06:59 MDT Print View

Anyone given some thought to the relative merits of...

Heavy bread (dark German/rye), vs.
Tortillas, vs.
Pita bread, vs.
Crackers

Based on
* How well they keep in the wild,
* Nutritional value,
* Taste,
* Calories per weight, and
* Bulk (important for bear-canister users)

I've taken all four of the above items into the wilderness; they're all relatively acceptable. Just wanting to take a harder look at them - especially with a long, bear-canister trip upcoming. (I *might* end up going with "None of the above!")

- Elizabeth

Sarah Kirkconnell
(sarbar) - F

Locale: In the shadow of Mt. Rainier
Re: Breadlike foods on 07/28/2010 12:44:05 MDT Print View

Of them the tortillas carry best in canisters - get soft taco size. They have better shelf life than bread or pitas as well.

Ben Crowell
(bcrowell) - F

Locale: Southern California
Breadlike foods on 07/28/2010 12:55:05 MDT Print View

I think people going on really long trips without resupply, using a bear canister, generally find that tortillas pack the best.

Personally I use buttery crackers. They taste good, have pretty good energy density, and serve as good "delivery systems" to make high-energy-density fat-based foods (olive oil, hard cheese, ...) palatable. They don't pack down very well, however. Cookies such as Lorna Doones also work well -- I kind of like the taste of a Lorna Doone with olive oil on it.

Leavened bread is something I would take on the first day, leaving it in the outside netting of my pack and finishing it off before camping for the first night.

-Ben

Larry De La Briandais
(Hitech) - F

Locale: SF Bay Area
"Thin buns" on 07/29/2010 09:23:46 MDT Print View

We used tortillas and "thin buns". The thin buns did get smashed a little, but they are already thin to begin with. They were still quite usable.

Elizabeth Tracy
(mariposa) - M

Locale: Outside
I'll try Thin Buns on 07/29/2010 10:32:44 MDT Print View

Thank you for the Thin Buns tip. I much prefer whole-grain items; and thought that whole wheat tortillas or whole wheat pita bread were my only options.

Crackers are yummy, but they're so full of preservatives and have poor nutritional content. And they are always breaking into little tiny pieces...

- Elizabeth

Sarah Kirkconnell
(sarbar) - F

Locale: In the shadow of Mt. Rainier
Re: I'll try Thin Buns on 07/29/2010 11:24:54 MDT Print View

Fair warning - those thin buns can go stale quickly. We eat them a lot at home (they are high in fiber).

Crackers? Not all are equal. Try Kashi crackers. They are durable and made of all natural ingredients. No preservatives, high fiber, etc. And there are many other brands in natural food stores that are the same. Many are healthier than bread or tortillas....

Which comes to this - the tortillas that last the longest are the ones full of crap. No way around that. Same with bread. Moisture in the bread is what makes it taste good - and without preserving it it goes bad fast.

Laurie Ann March
(Laurie_Ann) - F

Locale: Ontario, Canada
bread shelf life on 07/29/2010 11:56:56 MDT Print View

Tortillas have the longest shelf life. Greek style pitas are a good choice too. Bagels are very durable but take up more space and don't last as long.

Jeff K
(jeff.k) - F

Locale: New York
Re: bread shelf life on 07/29/2010 12:36:28 MDT Print View

How long will a typical tortilla last?

I had some on my counter for a month and I couldn't believe there was no mold. It is hot and humid here. Is there something magical about tortillas or are there just tons of preservatives in there.

Kevin Babione
(KBabione) - MLife

Locale: Pennsylvania
Arnold Sandwich Thins on 07/29/2010 14:53:49 MDT Print View

In PA we have these: Arnold Sandwich Thins.

They have an unrefrigerated shelf life of about at least a week (possibly two but I can't remember) and are pretty "smush-resistant."

Chris Jones
(NightMarcher) - F
Tortilla Shelf Life on 07/29/2010 20:03:52 MDT Print View

I was wondering about tortilla shelf life myself. In my local supermarket, tortillas are all refrigerated items as opposed to bread.

This has led me to believe that tortillas have fewer or no preservatives (which is a good thing in my book), or they go bad quicker. Can anyone comment as to why?

Of course, if you're hard-core tortillas a pretty easy to make on the trail. The ingredients are simple, flour, salt, and baking powder (I think). You just need a flat surface to roll them on, something to roll them with (a Thermos works), and a flat surface to toast them with.

Leftovers can be cut into quarters, fried up in (hopefully healthy) oil, and sprinked with cinnamon sugar for a tasty treat...

todd harper
(funnymoney) - MLife

Locale: Sunshine State
Re: Arnold Sandwich Thins on 07/29/2010 20:44:46 MDT Print View

They also make BAGEL THINS which are great,too. Softer than regular bagels and will last in excess of ten years in my house:) Well, at least a couple weeks.

Sarah Kirkconnell
(sarbar) - F

Locale: In the shadow of Mt. Rainier
Re: Tortilla Shelf Life on 07/29/2010 21:21:13 MDT Print View

It depends on the store - here you see them on the shelf. Only un-cooked ones would need to be chilled. Many tortillas (as in the big brands) have shelf lifes of weeks or longer.

But as with many items.....modern shopping has us buying everything out of the cooler, whether or not it needs to be there ;-)

Donna C
(leadfoot) - M

Locale: Middle Virginia
Re: Re: Arnold Sandwich Thins on 07/30/2010 05:11:17 MDT Print View

All of these "thin" breads are fine except if you need the calories, these aren't helpful. The sandwich thins are 90 calories, and bagels are 110. I found myself getting hungry pretty quickly and didn't realize why until I read the packaging. But, if you want something like a cracker (Wasa or other healthy types)I pack mine in a platic tub and use the tub for my freezer bag meals at night.

I sometimes have carried bagels or naan, which, depending on the heat, can last several days.

Sarah Kirkconnell
(sarbar) - F

Locale: In the shadow of Mt. Rainier
Re: Calories on 07/30/2010 15:16:27 MDT Print View

And yep....tortillas are powerhouses for calories!! Depending on size you can get 300-600 per piece. Which is amazing for their size ;-)

Daniel Goldenberg
(dag4643)

Locale: Pacific Northwet
Re: Re: Calories on 07/30/2010 15:26:20 MDT Print View

Walkers shortbread cookies are one of the most nutritionally dense foods I've seen at about 150 calories/oz.

Delicious too. One disadvantage though is that they are brittle and tend to crumble easily.

Tom Kirchner
(ouzel) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
Re: Re: Re: Calories on 07/30/2010 16:20:45 MDT Print View

"Walkers shortbread cookies are one of the most nutritionally dense foods I've seen at about 150 calories/oz.

Delicious too. One disadvantage though is that they are brittle and tend to crumble easily."

Crumble them up on purpose before packing; they will take up less space that way. Then eat them with a spoon.

Zachary Zrull
(zackcentury) - F

Locale: Great Lakes
dense cakes, breads on 07/30/2010 19:45:14 MDT Print View

Logan bread or any derivative, christmas cake, plum pudding, and quick breads are very calorie dense and will have relatively long shelf life. The longer you cook logan breads and "hardtack" breads, the longer they'll last (so I've been told, I usually eat it too quickly). Just use fresh ingredients, especially oils, so that they don't go rancid while cooking or after.

I think crackers and yeast breads are less dense than most other items, and so they'll be less efficient uses of space in your pack. However, if you want to make meat and cheese sandwiches, dessert breads might not be your first choice and so you might have to settle for some kind of cracker or tortilla anyway! For different takes on flat breads, you could make some kind of naan or bhature, corn tortilla, pita, dosa, lavash, etc.... But all will have shelf life similar to a tortilla.

Tohru Ohnuki
(erdferkel) - F

Locale: S. California
Re: Re: Calories on 07/30/2010 20:20:55 MDT Print View

I like the Guererro's branded tortillas over the Mission branded (they're both made by the same company, Gruma) since they have more fat and calories...

Roger Caffin
(rcaffin) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
Re: Re: Re: Calories on 07/31/2010 00:51:23 MDT Print View

> Walkers shortbread cookies
Yeah!

> they are brittle and tend to crumble easily.
Don't keep them that long ...

Cheers

nathan matthews
(nathanm) - F

Locale: Bay Area
damper on 07/31/2010 15:51:34 MDT Print View

On trips where I'm not worried about fuel use (because wood is available, for example), I just make bread--usually damper. Basically, use flour and baking powder to make self-rising flour, mix with water to make a stiff dough, and cook it as a quickbread. Add flavorings (sweet or savory) if desired. The flour mix is perfect for packability. I usually start with damper on day 4 or later of a trip, by which time I'm usually craving additional textures in my food. Use it as a vehicle for peanut butter, etc.