"Somewhat on topic, do you have a MacPac Microlight in your stable?"
I am not a fan of the MicroLight, but I'm sure it's a tough little tent. The *best* tents I've used for rough conditions are the MacPac Olympus and Minaret. But they really are off topic here (except to say that Roger's hoop tents bear an uncanny resemblance to the Olympus...and I still really want one). RE: Pup-tent, it's American in origin, not a local slang, more specifically:
"Pup in this sense is the same as puppy "young dog". The notion was that such tents were so small and primitive that they were only fit for dogs (the term dog tent dates from the same period) or pups. The tents were so named because they resembled dog kennels. Pup tents, as you know, are indeed small and of a simple A-shaped construction, basically two sheets of canvas or other material tied together. They were used in the military originally, and the term pup tent dates in writing from the U.S. in 1863, and it is likely that it was in use for some years prior to being written down."
Sounds to me, not like Stephen and I are using different tents, but are comparing them to different standards. My idea to try the Haven was based on speculation that was bantered around in the thread Double Rainbow versus haven. The Double Rainbow is my "gold standard" for UL tents (Roger's Cs design aside). Now, as Ron said in that post, comparing the DR to the Haven is like apples to oranges, and I now completely agree. Aside from the obvious difference in that the Haven can be pitched with inner or outer separate, there is a world of other differences, non of them, IMHO, in favour of the Haven (except the colour).
I find the majority of folks on this site will buy something new and think it's the best thing since sliced bread. I think that's just human nature. You've spent a lot of money, and waited in anticipation for this great new thing, you've been told it's gonna be really great, and psyche yourself up for it. Most of us are not about to turn around and say "the emperor has no clothes".
But of course everything about this sport is subjective, which is one of the reasons I didn't hesitate to post my opinions even though I have the tent still to sell. I KNEW there would be folks who will want this tent badly no matter how bad of a review I gave it, and this has proven correct. And you know what? This tent most likely WILL be an improvement in some ways over whatever shelter they are trying to replace, so I don't feel at all bad about selling to them, especially since they will now be fully informed of the conflicting points of view and possible problems (and possible solutions, ie get yourself some grip clips). So, if Stephen says the Haven (or any other pup tent) is the best darn tent he ever used, I believe him. But I have different standards. But This thread is still mainly about pup tents in general, and the Haven as yet another example of what I don't like in a shelter.