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Hiking Malto
(gg-man) - F
Ken and Bears on 06/16/2010 18:22:56 MDT Print View

I would watch the very high calorie pepperoni. In heat it gets oily and downright disgusting. It took me over 6 months to be able to eat pepperoni again.

Ken, I'm going on 5 years and have only two bears in the wild. I will have to take some salami on my next trip and watch the bears line up to sample.

When I hiked the SHR last year I broke a container of honey all over my food when I dropped my food bag from a hang. I couldn't believe that we didn't have all the Sierra bears converge on our site the following night.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Dry Salami and bears on 06/16/2010 18:32:18 MDT Print View

"Bob, I am the anti bear. My hiking partners laugh that every trip we take, we don't see any bears. I have camped in some high bear traffic areas over the years and it has just worked out that way...Maybe that is a good thing???"

If you are knocking out 20 miles per day, you don't have any time in the evening for fooling around with bears or their antics. OTOH, on some trips I have gone in 8-10 miles to camp, and then I am wandering around with the camera looking for some good wildlife to photograph. I know where they are.

--B.G.--

Ken Helwig
(kennyhel77) - MLife

Locale: Scotts Valley CA via San Jose, CA
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Dry Salami and bears on 06/17/2010 09:36:40 MDT Print View

Bob, I am more of a 10-13 miles a day guy...sometimes even less...if hiking with my wife....Last bear encounter was 2008 in Tenaya Canyon. A juvenile bear got into one of my hiking buddies cannister that he left opened by accident. He hung out for a good portion of the evening looking for more food.

I just don't see bears...maybe that will change in the future, I dunno

Dean F.
(acrosome) - MLife

Locale: Back in the Front Range
re: salami on 06/17/2010 11:20:24 MDT Print View

You can definitely find salami or sausages in hermetically sealed plastic vacuum-wrap, if you look for it. PackitGourmet sells such an Italian sausage that I thought was quite adequate, wrapped in a flour tortilla.

Granted the plastic packaging is most significant for limiting smells since, as others have said, a dry salami will keep for a very long time. That's why it was invented- it contains a lot of salt as a preservative.

Philip Delvoie
(PhilipD) - MLife

Locale: Ontario, Canada
salami on 06/17/2010 13:03:07 MDT Print View

ATT00002

4 out of 5 bears think Salami is great!

Could not resist when I came across this picture today. No idea who the author of the picture is...but very funny.

Philip Delvoie
(PhilipD) - MLife

Locale: Ontario, Canada
salami on 06/17/2010 13:08:47 MDT Print View

One of my staples is Landjäger.


It's a dried meat product...very tasty and no refrigeration required. Lot's of the butchers or speciality meat shops in my area carry it. I usually plan on one per meal when I am out. We do have black bears here in Ontario, but have not had any problems in my neck of the woods.

Edited by PhilipD on 06/17/2010 13:12:24 MDT.

Larry De La Briandais
(Hitech) - F

Locale: SF Bay Area
Yosemite on 06/17/2010 14:39:39 MDT Print View

Okay, I'm really interested in salami and Yosemite bears. I am planning to take salami for lunches to Yosemite. I was planning on just taking the stick and cutting whatever I wanted off. Now I'm thinking of placing a servings worth in a "seal a meal" bag. Is that good enough? I will of course be using a bear can (the ones they rent at Yosemite).

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Yosemite on 06/17/2010 14:44:50 MDT Print View

Larry, I tend to do it the way you suggest. Maybe it is overkill when using a bear can. It's just that the darn bear will smell really good salami inside it and will play with the can all night like it was a soccer ball.

That is good if you are a photographer trying to get a photo of a bear at night. However, if you are a backpacker who has had a long day, you would rather get some sleep.

--B.G.--

Larry De La Briandais
(Hitech) - F

Locale: SF Bay Area
Thanks on 06/17/2010 14:49:30 MDT Print View

While I would like to get good pictures of a bear at night, I do not want it playing with my bear can at all! And if I do anything that attracts bears my wife will have my...

So, I take it that "seal a meal" bags will work good enough to trap the smell?

Lyan Jordan
(redmonk)

Locale: Greater Yellowstone Ecosystem
salami on 06/17/2010 14:51:43 MDT Print View

I'd just take the stick and cut from it as I eat. Been doing it with cheese, and salami for years.

I use a bear canister and in my experience they work so well that bears don't even waste their time trying to get into them. They don't play with them like soccer balls, maybe they did in the olden times, but they seem to have learned that canisters are not food. Worst case scenario the can gets tipped over to make sure the lid is on.

Edited by redmonk on 06/17/2010 14:53:44 MDT.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Thanks on 06/17/2010 14:54:53 MDT Print View

I don't think that anything is quite as perfect as a bear's nose. However, a seal-a-meal bag seems to be slightly better than an ordinary ziploc bag.

I would worry more about smells from foods that get spilled inside their containers or inside your pack. Sunscreen on clothing will drive the bears crazy.

I was on a trip up through the Grand Canyon of the Tuolumne, and one gal had a backpack that had food spilled in it on a previous trip. She thought that she had cleaned it out. Not. The bear came into camp, played footsie with the bear can, then found her pack and ripped it a bit.

--B.G.--

Dan Magdoff
(highsierraguy) - F

Locale: Northern California
Salami on 06/23/2010 20:51:33 MDT Print View

Hey all,
I have been using salami and hard cheeses for lunch for years! Never had a problem with bears. I hang my food and use canisters where required. See lots of bears, just never around my campsite

Anyway... I am doing a 16 day trip this summer. I was going to bring two of those vacuum sealed Columbus salamis. I was gonna use the first one over the first 6 or 7 days or so, and then open the second and use it over the last 6 or 7 days. Do you think they will last that long? I was also gonna bring a few pieces of hard cheese and use them the same way. You thing they will last?

Ben Crowell
(bcrowell) - F

Locale: Southern California
Re: Salami on 06/23/2010 21:10:43 MDT Print View

@Dan: I've used salami and hard cheese, but never for such a long trip. I'm guessing you'll get some surface mold on the cheese. People have posted here about coating cheese and salami in wax, but I've never tried it.

michael levi
(M.L) - F

Locale: W-Never Eat Soggy (W)affles
. on 08/14/2012 22:34:57 MDT Print View

Dry salami with the white mold found at Walmart is very goo tasting. Its in the red and white paperlike packaging. It keeps well for atleast 2 weeks in my experience with temps up to 90 degrees. In fact the hotter it is the better tasting it is.

Nothing is better than a salami and cheese quesidilla on whole grain tortillas for lunch...

Lynn Tramper
(retropump) - F

Locale: The Antipodes of La Coruna
Re: Salami on 08/16/2012 16:36:58 MDT Print View

There are so many different meat products called 'salami' that you need to be an educated consumer. The ones that keep best are hung (at room temperature) for months, often have a white mold on the casing, and have a decent amount of fat. So you don't really need to worry about spoilage if it meets these criteria. I would avoid anything wrapped in plastic and found in the fridge section, and definitely avoid 'low fat' products. Salami needs to breathe to avoid spoilage, so I personally wouldn't seal it in any kind of plastic, but I don't have to worry about bears. If bears are a potential problem, you can wrap it in cloth, then seal it in a vacuum bag. This will minimise any sweating damage, but not sure how well it would work for longer trips. If planning a long trip in bear country, I would opt for slicing the salami, then drying it fully in a dehydrator before sealing it in a vacuum bag. If fully dried, sweating will not be a problem, but the salami will be tooth-breaking hard, so is best used in cooked dishes to soften. It is also REALLY hard to slice completely dry salami, which is why I recommend slicing it before drying.

I have also had good luck with dropping single serves of salami and hard cheeses in wax. Drying cheese in a dehydrator also works well, but it becomes very crumbly so best used in cooking rather than as slices on your lunch crackers. Sealing in wax doesn't prevent sweating, so this is probably only an option for short to medium trips.

Doug I.
(idester) - MLife

Locale: MidAtlantic
Re: salami on 08/16/2012 17:39:03 MDT Print View

Pricy, but delicious. I stopped in at Mahogany Meats in Bishop, CA, and tasted (and then bought) some of their jerky (buffalo and elk) and one of their Landjager sausages. Incredibly delicious, and the sausage will last a couple of weeks (if not trapped in plastic, as Lynn says) according to the guy behind the counter. I'll order from them before my next trip.

http://www.smokedmeats.com/jerky-beef-jerky.html

Matthew mcgurk
(phatpacker) - F

Locale: Central coast California
Salme Bears on 08/22/2012 22:39:59 MDT Print View

I think bears are just after food in general if you store it right you wont have problems, oh yeah and dont use your clothes as a napkin. 4 days in winter it keeps once you break the skin and 2-3 days in other times. I dont bring it unless I can share it with someone or its winter.

Erik Basil
(EBasil) - M

Locale: Atzlan
Landjager, Cowboy Jerky and Salami on 08/23/2012 08:44:38 MDT Print View

:) "Mahoghany Smoked Meats" is the sign in front of Meadow Farms, and they produce the best jerky product on the planet. Some say, "whole solar system"... A longtime tradition in our family for stops "on the way in" and on the way home.

We use their Landjager on trips, but it's a bit heavy and is a "moist style", so it will both sweat and aroma-tize the daylights out of whatever it's stashed in. Coincidentally, bears in the Eastern Sierra also share the commonly accepted view of Meadow Farms meats... We tend to eat ours the first day.

Now, the "cowboy jerky" is actually a whole flank steak, dried over their smoke and a hunk the size of the palm of my hand will last a week of great meals on trail if you've got a sharp knife or teeth. In terms of fragrance, it surely is, but it won't sweat and it lasts weeks outside of refrigeration if you keep it wrapped.

And for the salami, one of my compatriots on our latest trek has sworn that, from here on out, weight is irrelevant: he's bringing salami. Apparently the craving hit hard and, on our way home, he noted that Meadow Farms will shrink wrap your sliced salami for free...

Note, they'll do it for the landjager and jerkys, too. Just ask at the counter.

Tim Zen
(asdzxc57) - F

Locale: MI
Re: Re: salami on 08/23/2012 18:54:35 MDT Print View

MMmmmmmmmmm.. a source for slabs of smoked meats. Thank you.

daniel B
(dbogey)

Locale: East Coast
Mahoghany Smoked Meats on 09/05/2012 09:39:04 MDT Print View

I will be there next week. Cant wait. Its my first trip into the Sierras and I think that I'll have to pick some of this up for our SHR excursion. Now I'll need to figure what coming out the Bearikade Weekender to make room for this !!