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Vadim Fedorovsky
(socrates)
Liner: trash compactor bag vs. official liner on 05/26/2010 15:24:02 MDT Print View

Is there any benefits to buying a BPL of gossamer liner over just using a trash compactor bag like Skurka does?

Which is the most water proof?

Rodney Mruk
(rodney_mruk) - M

Locale: Northeast Oregon
Pack Liners on 05/26/2010 16:10:15 MDT Print View

I do not think the pack liners sold at BPL are any better than trash compactor liners. The trash compactor liners are much less expensive and you do not need to pay shipping. I've used them for a long time with very good results.

Ryan Hutchins
(ryan_hutchins) - F

Locale: Somewhere out there
subject on 05/26/2010 17:07:02 MDT Print View

I agree, no need for an expensive pack liner, just use a trash compactor bag. I've been doing this for over ten years and my stuff never gets wet.

Nick Gatel
(ngatel) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Re: Liner: trash compactor bag vs. official liner on 05/26/2010 22:17:07 MDT Print View

"Is there any benefits to buying a BPL of gossamer liner over just using a trash compactor bag like Skurka does?"

Sure, you can support a huge comglomorate like Hefty, or help BPL, GG, MLD, etc. to stay in business so they can continue to develop some really cool gear for us.

Chris Gray
(ChrisFol) - F

Locale: Denver, Coloado
Re: Re: Liner: trash compactor bag vs. official liner on 05/26/2010 23:02:34 MDT Print View

Nick, I sure hope you are being facetious because not only are pack liners from BPL, GG and MLD etc approximately $10, including shipping, but they are also much thinner than trash compactor bags.

TCP bags, $8 for 20. BPL, GG, MLD: $10 for two bags.

This is a no brainer to me. Believe me, the sale of pack liners do not make or break these companies-- if a company depended on these sales, then they have a poor business model.

John Nausieda
(Meander) - MLife

Locale: PNW
Price on 05/27/2010 09:28:32 MDT Print View

Your price of$8 for 20 is very good. Where did you buy them, what brand? In comparison I bought 10 at Safeway-their brand for about $5.50. Do-it-best hardware wanted the same price for only 5 Hefty bags.

Nick Gatel
(ngatel) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Re: Re: Re: Liner: trash compactor bag vs. official liner on 05/27/2010 09:40:36 MDT Print View

I have bought liners from both GG and MLD. I think they cost around $10 for 4 of them. Their quoted prices are for 2.

Yes, it is more than other sources, and I would not make a single item order. When I bought gear from both, I ordered some. I have been using the same liner for over a year, and it has lasted. For me, it is nominal cost, and the cottage manufacturers cannot compete. But I buy them for my own selfish reason... I want to see them stay in business. If not, eventually our only source for gear will be WalMart :)

Mary D
(hikinggranny) - MLife

Locale: Gateway to Columbia River Gorge
Liner: trash compactor bag vs. official liner on 05/27/2010 15:18:23 MDT Print View

Watch out for trash compactor bags--more and more of them are now scented! Not only does a scented bag become a bear attractant, but the stench could make you ill (it does me!). Unless you can find unscented, contractor trash bags (also 2 mil) might be a better choice.

I agree with Nick that supporting the cottage industries rather than the big conglomerates might be a better choice from an ethical point of view.

I changed to dry bags to protect my critical insulation instead because at the same time I ran out of trash compactor bags and couldn't find any unscented, and I also got sick and tired of fighting the slippery plastic bags when packing up (shove down a small item and it would pop right back up). The weight is pretty much the same (1 large and 1 small dry bag vs. the trash compactor bag). Your mileage may of course vary!

Edited by hikinggranny on 05/27/2010 15:20:33 MDT.

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
trash compactor bag on 05/27/2010 19:21:30 MDT Print View

I have never seen scented trash compactor bags. Got my last box at Ace Hardware. They also had those pierce-able Camping Gaz canisters. Weird.

tommy d
(vinovampire) - F
+1 for the trash bags on 06/03/2010 10:18:37 MDT Print View

Another + for garbage bags - they're cheap and light enough. Also, if your trash bag gets damaged you can find another one just about anywhere. I've been using garbage bags since 1997 and been through some BIG storms without any problems, so I don't see any reason to change methods now.

That said, I do have a dry bag that I use as a stuff sack. They seem to work and I can see why others would use them for a variety of reasons.

Art ...
(asandh) - F
Trash Bag : Inner Liner v.s. Outer Cover on 06/03/2010 11:33:40 MDT Print View

another vote for trash bags.

aside from the hassle of having to pull it out and put it over your pack as the rain starts,
what are the pros and cons of using that trash bag as an outer pack cover v.s. an inner pack liner ?

Jeff K
(jeff.k) - F

Locale: New York
Re: Trash Bag : Inner Liner v.s. Outer Cover on 06/03/2010 11:54:53 MDT Print View

It depends on what material your pack is made out of, but some materials absorb moisture and become very heavy. In this case it would be beneficial to use a pack cover to prevent the bag from getting wet and absorbing water.

I don't do this, but if I hiked in the rain a lot with a pack that absorbed water easily I might.

John Nausieda
(Meander) - MLife

Locale: PNW
External frame on 06/03/2010 12:37:22 MDT Print View

If you are carrying a typical external frame pack with a hipbelt and shoulder straps that hook into the frame with clevis pins you can slide the compactor bag over the entire frame and cover the area at the bottom where your sleeping bag is lashed and just poke two small holes into the compactor bag to reattach your shoulder straps.Your shoulder straps and hip belt will get wet, but the pack is almost totally covered by the upside down compactor bag. On a long day in driving rain it's a good way to protect your gear.

Jace Mullen
(climberslacker) - F

Locale: Your guess is as good as mine.
Re: Trash Bag on 06/04/2010 20:35:58 MDT Print View

I was looking at my ULA pack and wondering if I should go with anything. It looks like except for the stitching it is pretty waterproof. Are the stitches that big of a deal? could I just seam seal it and be done with it? Or should I just use a liner/pack cover?

-CS

Eugene Smith
(Eugeneius) - MLife

Locale: Nuevo Mexico
"Liner: trash compactor bag vs. official liner" on 06/04/2010 20:57:11 MDT Print View

Jace,

Personally, I'd pick up a few dedicated pack liners and be done with it. Like Nick said earlier, they're inexpensive and very durable, a few liners could last you for a few seasons under moderate UL usage. Seam sealing the interior of a pack is long, messy and tedious business, one which I'd avoid. The repeated push and pull of gear into and out of your pack will flake off the seam sealant quickly, leaving you with a mess that will be hard to manage over time.

Unknown abc
(edude) - F
"Liner: trash compactor bag vs. official liner" on 06/04/2010 23:44:53 MDT Print View

I've used trash bags and personally I don't care for them very much. I like my dry bags better, and I've recently started using turkey bags which seem to work fine for me.

Jason Picard
(jasonpicard) - F
re: trash compactor bag vs. official liner on 06/14/2010 20:53:09 MDT Print View

Anyone know where to get these in Canada? I went to Home Depot, and they had no idea what I was asking for.

I'm assuming a 'trash compactor' is a household appliance of some sort. I've never seen or even heard of one (until BPL, that is). This seems like it could be one of those defining Canadian traits . . . hockey, igloos, Mounties, maple syrup, and NO trash compactors.

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Re: re: trash compactor bag vs. official liner on 06/14/2010 21:22:11 MDT Print View

I get my trash compactor bags usually from the grocery store eh.

Philip Delvoie
(PhilipD) - MLife

Locale: Ontario, Canada
Liner: trash compactor bag vs. official liner on 09/15/2010 08:30:14 MDT Print View

"Anyone know where to get these in Canada? I went to Home Depot, and they had no idea what I was asking for."

Jason,

Home Depot or Canadian tire carry contractor grade garbage bags...these are the heavier garbage bags...3 mil thickness depending on the brand. This is probably what you are looking for.

Michael Ray
(topshot) - MLife

Locale: Midwest
Re: Liner: trash compactor bag vs. official liner on 09/15/2010 13:10:23 MDT Print View

Except contractor bags are usually at least 30+ gallons and black while compactor bags are normally 18 gallons and white.