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Roberto Requena
(rrequena) - F

Locale: Canadian Rockies
One side on 05/20/2010 14:48:06 MDT Print View

You could always get rid of one side and keep the other. For most people having one entrance is enough. I suppose you would still have two entrances, but one would be easier to use than the other.

What sort of pegs are you using? I was thinking about getting an alternative as well.

Chris Roane
(chrisroane) - MLife

Locale: North Rockies
Re: One side on 05/20/2010 14:59:57 MDT Print View

I bought the orange titanium stakes at BPL a while ago: http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/lazr_hi_vis_ultralight_titanium_tent_stakes.html

They are great, but can be difficult in very hard dirt...but I've always been able to get them into the ground.

Steven McAllister
(brooklynkayak) - MLife

Locale: Atlantic North East
Getting Rid of One Guy. on 05/20/2010 15:00:04 MDT Print View

I'd keep both for those occasions where you want the extra ventilation on a hot muggy night.

Will Newton
(Newts) - MLife

Locale: Bay Area
Meta 2P overnight impressions on 05/21/2010 13:07:58 MDT Print View

Took the Meta 2P for an overnight in Shenandoah national park last weekend. I replaced a Losi 2P with it, at a savings of 44oz. Ordered from Campsaver; now my girlfriend has a pair of Leki poles.

I don't have a scale, so I'll go with Rob's weights. Replaced the factory stuffsack with a .7oz Sea to Summit M Ultrasil sack, the factory stakes with 5oz Easton 8" Aluminum stakes, and the guylines and blue pole tension lines with Triptease, all of which may have brought the tent down to Nemo's advertised weight. Used it with my BD Alpine Carbon Cork poles.

Meta 2P in Shenandoah

Setup was a breeze -- 4 minutes from sack to unpacking inside. As you can see from the pic, the green of the new 20D OSMO fabric is pretty subtle; it was a good thing our companions had their bright orange Marmot Twilight up or we might not have found our campsite again after walking away to hang a bear bag.

The interior dimensions are absolutely dependent on guyline tension, but once everything's guyed out, it's an impressive amount of space. We got 4 people into the thing to play a board game -- so long as everyone's on good terms, it's tight but workable. For sleeping, my large NeoAir and my girlfriend's regular NeoAir fit side by side with ~3" of space to either side. We're both 5'10"; we had at least 10 inches of usable space at the head and foot of the tent while lying down, and our faces were 6" from the tent wall in a centered sleeping position. There is a truly surprising, and comfortable, amount of space inside.

If a guyline loop could be added to the main tent body at the same height as the loops for the vestibule door tiebacks, it might help make the main walls a little more taut. Our site was in northeastern deciduous forest, so very little wind; I worry about that big square of fabric deflecting considerably in a storm.

It was in the mid-70s when we set up camp; got down to 55 during the night rained for about an hour around 2AM -- not a drop got through. We slept with both vestibules open, until the breeze started to drive the rain sideways under the vestibule overhang. While there was no condensation with both vestibules closed, after an hour it got pretty close and funky in the tent.

Which brings me to my one major gripe with the Meta -- ventilation. The high vents in the vestibule peaks work brilliantly, but only if they're fed from the the low vents. The low head and foot vents, as you can see on Rob's guy line image, are shielded on the outside by a rain flap held open by that center guyline. On the inside, however, the vent is sewn into a series of 4"-wide individual slits which lie flush with the tent wall and don't open easily. If each of the the interior vent slits had a small collapsible velcro prop to hold them open (like the roof vents on a Tenshi), ventilation would be much improved. I suppose something could be rigged using sticks or Q-tips.

Not a thorough test by any means -- I still have questions about how this thing will fare in any sort of a wind -- but so far, very impressed. I share Alex's high opinion of Nemo's workmanship & customer care; will likely get the Meta 1P for solo outings.

Roberto Requena
(rrequena) - F

Locale: Canadian Rockies
Great review on 05/21/2010 21:42:45 MDT Print View

Nice review Will. I feel pretty much the same way. I still have yet to sleep in mine, but I'm interested to see how it holds up to two people in mine. I'll be doing a couple trips this summer with some friends and I told a buddy that as long as he doesn't mind a tight fit, he can save weight and sleep in my tent. Should be interesting I guess.

I know what you mean about the inside vents. They really aren't very open and I can see how that could definitely be improved. Either way, I'm glad I got it, it's a bad ass tent as far as I'm concerned. I think I'm going to follow your lead and switch the stakes and stuff sack as well.

Miguel Arboleda
(butuki) - MLife

Locale: Kanto Plain, Japan
Re: Nemo Meta 2P on 05/22/2010 06:11:02 MDT Print View

While it is a Backpacker Magazine review and many people here are skeptical of their reviews, this video does give you a good idea of how the tent sets up.

Edited by butuki on 05/22/2010 06:12:21 MDT.

Alex Gilman
(Vertigo) - F

Locale: Washington
I want one! on 05/23/2010 09:35:14 MDT Print View

But the GF loves the Airbeams in the Morpho as well as the size/shape of it. So I'm "stuck" with the extra weight. Though I can't complain about the set up/take down.

Will Newton
(Newts) - MLife

Locale: Bay Area
Re: I want one! on 05/25/2010 19:48:45 MDT Print View

Alex, is your Morpho a 2009 or 2010 version, and can we finally get a realistic assessment of Morpho condensation? The retailer site reviews are all over the place.

I increasingly suspect this thread was started as a ruse to get the apostate BPL Nemo users to out themselves... :)

Alex Gilman
(Vertigo) - F

Locale: Washington
Re: Re: I want one! on 05/25/2010 23:16:56 MDT Print View

Will, I've been open aout being a Nemo fanboy for a while. I have the Andi, 09 GoGo LE and the 09 Morpho.

I have not had any condensation in any of my tents.

I've spent a few nights in the GoGo with my 70lb pitty and I could almost swear we had the inner temp 10 degrees higher that the outside temp with 0 condensation.

Honestly, the Morpho is BIG. I've been in it with my GF and dog and no issues. I can't picture 2 people ever "fogging" it up naturally. It is a matter of science though I'm sure I'm going to have nights where condensation is unavoidable. Which is fine,I always have a small camp towel to wipe the walls down.

I did follow the condensation article on BPL regarding condensation very carefully. I try to point the vents in to the wind etc. But the wind shifts and at night I'm so cozy and too lazy to move it. One trick I use on very cold nights is wearing my bandana over my face bank robber style. This is more of a "comfort" thing for me. I hate having a cold nose. Though, I'm sure it helps quite a bit with condensation

Alex Gilman
(Vertigo) - F

Locale: Washington
Meta is NOT made of OSMO on 05/25/2010 23:19:36 MDT Print View

My tents are made of OSMO the Meta are not so I'm sure its a bit differet.

George Geist
(geist) - M

Locale: Smoky Mountains
Re: 2009 vs 2010 Morph 2P on 05/26/2010 14:04:20 MDT Print View

> is your Morpho a 2009 or 2010 version, and can we finally get a realistic assessment of Morpho condensation? The retailer site reviews are all over the place.

Hi Will,

I have camped in both the 2009 and 2010 Morpho 2P. Where I live the humidity is so high that every tent (and I mean every) gets some condensation. I found that the 2010 Morpho has less condensation than the 2009. Neither had very much - just a light dampness to the inside tent body - no drips.
The 2010 version has two additional high vents and a more breathable OSMO fabric (so claims Nemo - I can't confirm that part).

As mentioned earlier the Morpho 2P is very large inside
and the vents are large, which helps keep condensation issues down. One reason that I like the tent where I live.

Will Newton
(Newts) - MLife

Locale: Bay Area
Meta 2P vs Meta 1P on 05/27/2010 08:24:03 MDT Print View

For what it's worth, I tried out a Meta 1P last night and was disappointed. In general it seems like a sloppier pitch than the 2P; to really get the walls taut and maximize interior space you need 10 stakes (4 corners, fly, rear vent, and four guylines from the fly tiebacks), 2 more than the 2P.
Even with the fly fully open, condensation seemed noticeably worse than the 2P on a still night, particularly at the head end of the tent -- good airflow from the rear vent to the front door, but the difference in width between the door and the rear vent creates a pocket at the head and foot where your breath can collect.
I'm pretty broad-shouldered, and while the 1P wasn't uncomfortably tight, I'd kinda doubt Alex is going to be able to comfortably share it with his dog.
Space vs weight, I think I may just stick with the 2P even on solo outings.

@Alex, I envy your experience of the GoGo -- I love the airbeams and tried out a GoGo LE last year, but woke up soaked after a MI summer night. I may just put out more vapor than the average person. Maybe the 2010 OSMO would make a difference. I also can't help but think that the Nemo crew are capable of coming up with some better solution to the swallowtail than the suggestion to find a stick. Another place a longer Tenshi vent style velcro prop might help?

@Rob, Q-tips do indeed work as props for the inside 2P vents; they place a little stress on the fabric but it doesn't look critical.

@Al, thanks for the Morpho update... after two more overnights it looks like the 'slight dampness' is a defining characteristic of the 20D OSMO. Better than drips, certainly.

Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
Nemo Meta 2P on 05/27/2010 09:02:23 MDT Print View

Thanks for the review Will.

Question: how are both shelters with respect to length? Would a 'long' bag fit in either? It seems to me that the greater slope of the Meta 1P might cut into usable space....

Will Newton
(Newts) - MLife

Locale: Bay Area
Meta length on 05/27/2010 09:09:10 MDT Print View

David, I would try your bag on a floor model if you can; I think it will depend on the height of your pad, especially on the 1P. My NeoAir is okay; a DownMat would put the wall uncomfortably close. The 2P definitely feels longer because of the wall angle.

Anthony Weston
(anthonyweston) - MLife

Locale: Southern CA
Nemo Meta 2p on 07/03/2010 12:14:55 MDT Print View

I took a look at the Nemo Meta 2p just because it's 43 inches high, and has two doors and good ventilation.
However I'm used to using a gossamergear spinshelter tarp so the size and weight of Nemo were stumbling blocks for me but I thought in the rain if it had a lot of space, then maybe.
But I found the backpacker gear of the year video to be misleading. You can't sleep in this tent with your head out the door and if you sleep across the tent then foot of your sleeping bag will get wet from the side of the tent.
This is a regular size sleeping bag in a meta 2p.foot of sleeping bag in meta 2phead of sleeping bagNemo meta 2p

Chris Roane
(chrisroane) - MLife

Locale: North Rockies
Re: Nemo Meta 2p on 07/03/2010 19:01:26 MDT Print View

Anthony,

I used this a few weeks ago on a trip, and I did find the side of the tent got close to my sleeping bag. But I was able to get around it by putting my head more close to the other side of the tent. Next time I am going to make the side lines more taut and see if I can make a little more room.

With that said, I love the overall space in the tent and the vestibules. I am going on another trip in the next few weeks and hope to get a better feel in how to best setup this tent.

Miguel Arboleda
(butuki) - MLife

Locale: Kanto Plain, Japan
Re: Nemo Meta 2p on 07/03/2010 19:10:49 MDT Print View

Thats two photos now with the Meta 2p with very loose fly. Is it difficult to get the fabric taut?

Will Newton
(Newts) - MLife

Locale: Bay Area
Re: Nemo Meta 2p on 07/03/2010 19:57:09 MDT Print View

Anthony, I could swear I had at least another inch on each end in my Meta with a regular Montbell Spiral Down Hugger #3... will have to get it out and measure. I also use my poles as fully extended as they'll go and really crank on the stake loop/guyline tighteners for a drum-tight pitch, which may be bad for the tent but might get you an inch.

Space/weight it's an impressive tent from a mainstream mfr. That said, I'm demoing an Andi, which is a pound heavier but uses 30D OSMO rather than the Meta's 20D PU... condensation is much improved, even factoring in the Meta's superior ventilation. If Nemo made a Meta out of OSMO, it might be close to perfection. Nemoteers, if you're lurking, take note.

Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
Meta 2p on 07/03/2010 23:15:09 MDT Print View

Sadly, my long version Marmot Helium will touch an end in the Meta 2P, even with the side guyouts.

However, this is one very well made tent - very feature rich and noticeably more robust than say a comparable UL version (obviously given the weight).

Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
Meta 2p on 07/03/2010 23:16:53 MDT Print View

Miguel - re: tautness - no issues for me. Sets up quite bomber, actually.