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Steven Paris
(saparisor) - M

Locale: Pacific Northwest
BearVault BV450 on 05/01/2010 22:06:17 MDT Print View

$55.21 + free shipping @ www.campsaver.com

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: BearVault BV450 on 05/01/2010 22:15:07 MDT Print View

That's not a bad deal!

I would get one, except that I already have one.

--B.G.--

Ben 2 World
(ben2world) - MLife

Locale: So Cal
Re: BearVault BV450 on 05/01/2010 22:23:02 MDT Print View

I'm debating between a BearVault 450 and a Bare Boxer Contender...

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: BearVault BV450 on 05/01/2010 22:26:54 MDT Print View

I have three bear canisters for comparison. The Garcia is the second generation. A little heavy and bulky. Works good and lasts a long time. The smaller BearVault is better and lighter. The twist lid locks in such a way that some people have fought with it for minutes at a time. I guess that is good. The BearBoxer is much smaller in diameter and weight. For 3 days, I would take the BearBoxer. For 4-5 days, I would take the BearVault. The Garcia may be collecting dust.

--B.G.--

Ben 2 World
(ben2world) - MLife

Locale: So Cal
Re: BearVault BV450 on 05/01/2010 22:35:14 MDT Print View

Thanks, Bob. This is helpful.

Brandon Sanchez
(dharmabumpkin) - F

Locale: San Gabriel Mtns
garcia on 05/01/2010 22:37:42 MDT Print View

he Bob, wanna sell that Garcia?

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: garcia on 05/01/2010 22:51:41 MDT Print View

Hmmm. I hadn't thought about it much.

There must be quite a supply crisis if you guys are asking for a Garcia that is ten years old.

--B.G.--

Ben 2 World
(ben2world) - MLife

Locale: So Cal
Re: garcia on 05/01/2010 23:00:11 MDT Print View

I have a 3-day trip to Yosemite in May, and a week-long trip in PNW in August.

I'm hoping not to buy multiple bear canisters. The thing about buying into the middle -- it could either be the perfect "do it both" -- or it could end up being "neither here nor there". Looks like the Garcia fell into the second category in your case. Decisions, decisions...

Edited by ben2world on 05/01/2010 23:20:35 MDT.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: garcia on 05/01/2010 23:25:49 MDT Print View

I know that when the Garcia cans came out on the market over ten years ago, that it was a one-size-fits-all solution, and that was the only brand/game in town until the competitors came along. You know there isn't too much weight difference between a large and a small size, so maybe a person would want to buy only the large and not fool with a small. On the other hand, that flies in the face of everything UL.

I saw a guy backpacking in Yosemite with his DIY bear canister. It was a RubberMaid kitchen container with duct tape. Obviously no rangers caught him, or else they would have thrown the book at him.
--B.G.--

Ben 2 World
(ben2world) - MLife

Locale: So Cal
Re: Re: Re: garcia on 05/02/2010 00:02:27 MDT Print View

"DIY bear canister. It was a RubberMaid kitchen container with duct tape."

Amazing.

Hard to picture without the real thing, but I wonder if there's any way to cram 6 days' worth of food into the Bare Boxer? Aarrgh... wishful thinking.

Robert Blean
(blean) - MLife

Locale: San Jose -- too far from Sierras
Re: Re: Re: Re: garcia on 05/02/2010 00:35:37 MDT Print View

I wonder if there's any way to cram 6 days' worth of food into the Bare Boxer?

You would have to get pretty creative.

You can probably get your six days into a Bearikade Scout, which is not much bigger or heavier, though. It's rated for 5 days, and BPL folks have reported the Bearikade ratings somewhat conservative, so you may be able to cram 6 days' food in there.

Scout is same height, 1.6" bigger diameter, and two ounces heavier. Of course your wallet will be $155 lighter with the Scout instead of the Bare Boxer.

--MV

Dirk Rabdau
(dirk9827) - F

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Bearikade can make custom sized canisters on 05/02/2010 00:44:40 MDT Print View

At least they did for me a couple of years ago, when I wanted something between the weekender and expedition.

Where in the Pacific Northwest are you traveling? Bear canisters are not required in most places; with areas of Olympic National Park being one. (They have bear wires in some section of the park). Mt. Rainier does not require you to carry a bear canister, for instance. Nor does North Cascades National Park.

Can someone really get six days worth of food in a 500 cubic inch canister? I guess you don't have to carry all of it in the canister - you definitely could carry the first day outside the canister.

Dirk

Edited by dirk9827 on 05/02/2010 00:48:49 MDT.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: Re: Re: Re: garcia on 05/02/2010 00:59:32 MDT Print View

"Hard to picture without the real thing, but I wonder if there's any way to cram 6 days' worth of food into the Bare Boxer?"

No way. Three days, yes. Possibly four. If you were foraging along the trail for berries and catching fish, possibly six.

Oh, wait. I just heard something about a new large BearBoxer.

--B.G.--

Ben 2 World
(ben2world) - MLife

Locale: So Cal
Re: on 05/02/2010 11:08:13 MDT Print View

Yes, just confirmed that canisters are not required in the PNW. Hoorah!

I'll go with the Bare Boxer Contender for my 3 days at Yosemite (thanks to Christopher Graf's recommendation). And I'll use my Ursack for my week-long PNW hike. :)

Steven Paris
(saparisor) - M

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Re: on 05/02/2010 20:04:39 MDT Print View

Benjamin,

Where are you planning to hike in the NW?

Btw, I believe that canisters are required in Olympic now. It has been a little while since I've been but I think they removed many of the cables. I did a 6-day trip there in 2004 and did not get to the ranger station in Hoodsport in time to rent a bear canister, so we just hung our food on the cables. Maybe someone else could comment...

Edit: oops sorry to hijack this thread!

Edited by saparisor on 05/02/2010 20:05:11 MDT.