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Addie Bedford
(addiebedford) - MLife

Locale: Montana
MSR Hubba Hubba HP Tent Review on 04/13/2010 15:24:33 MDT Print View

Companion forum thread to:

MSR Hubba Hubba HP Tent Review

Chris W
(simplespirit) - MLife

Locale: WNC
Re: MSR Hubba Hubba HP Tent Review on 04/13/2010 17:05:26 MDT Print View

Where did the Scarp 2 weights come from? Seems like they're about a pound too heavy.

Daniel Goldenberg
(dag4643) - M

Locale: Pacific Northwet
Re: Re: MSR Hubba Hubba HP Tent Review on 04/13/2010 17:23:00 MDT Print View

Scarp weight appears to include the crossing poles.

Chris W
(simplespirit) - MLife

Locale: WNC
Re: Scarp Weight on 04/13/2010 17:24:25 MDT Print View

Interesting. Those aren't part of the standard package/configuration and the price doesn't indicate their inclusion. One of the two should be updated and a note added that they're optional but included in the comparison.

Daniel Goldenberg
(dag4643) - M

Locale: Pacific Northwet
Re: Re: Scarp Weight on 04/13/2010 17:28:10 MDT Print View

I agree, the footnoted descriptions of the listed weights (for example trail weight) would seem to indicate that the weight of the poles should not be included, since they are not required for the basic setup.

Only reason to include weight with poles would be to compare all the tents in "freestanding" mode.

Raymond Estrella
(rayestrella) - MLife

Locale: Northern Minnesota
Scarp weight on 04/13/2010 20:46:58 MDT Print View

Hi guys, just found out this went up.

No I have it completely wrong. And I have no idea where it came from.

It should have been this:

Listed trail wt: 3.37 (1.53)Only total weight listed
BPL trail wt: 3.26 (1.48)

That is what I have on my huge comparative table for all the tents in the upcoming SOTMR. I really don't know how the other numbers got there.

I have had a lot of Tarptents and have never seen one over the listed weight. All have been within an oz under, never over. My Hogback is 0.3 oz under listed.

I am sorry for the mistake, it was certainly not intentional. Thank you for bringing it to my/our attention.

Now I need to go back over hours of accumulated data...

Raymond Estrella
(rayestrella) - MLife

Locale: Northern Minnesota
more clarification on 04/13/2010 20:57:49 MDT Print View

OK, this was bugging me and I have been going over it.

The upcoming SOTMR looks at the Scarp in 3-season mode. In this comparison I included the crossing poles and said so in the paragraph above the table. I did this as I have had the CS and Hubba HP in winter conditions which the Scarp does as long as it has the poles.

So the numbers were right with the optional poles.

But thanks for keeping me on my toes.

Amy Lauterbach
(drongobird) - MLife

Locale: San Francisco Bay Area
MSR Hubba Hubba color on 04/13/2010 23:03:26 MDT Print View

Thanks for a great review.
It only matters to a subset of users, but the color of the fly is not compatible with stealth camping, another thing for the "not so good" list.

Edited by drongobird on 04/13/2010 23:04:12 MDT.

Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
Hubba Hp on 04/13/2010 23:11:37 MDT Print View

Sadly, MSR sells the Hubba HP series with a green fly and dark green floor in Europe.

Rog Tallbloke
(tallbloke) - F

Locale: DON'T LOOK DOWN!!
Re: Hubba Hp on 04/14/2010 00:10:59 MDT Print View

If anyone wants a green one, I'll do the shipping thing.

Mark McLauchlin
(markmclauchlin) - MLife

Locale: Western Australia
Re: Re: Hubba Hp on 04/14/2010 00:45:53 MDT Print View

Nice review Ray, more keen than ever to get one for hiking with the kids.

Keep it up.

Cheers

Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
MSR Hubba Hubba HP Tent Review on 04/14/2010 08:24:47 MDT Print View

Hey Rog, I am going to keep that in mind!

Edited by FamilyGuy on 04/14/2010 08:28:46 MDT.

P. P.
(toesnorth) - F

Locale: PNW
MSR Hubba Hubba HP Tent Review on 04/14/2010 10:19:09 MDT Print View

Nice review, as usual, Ray. Thanks.

christopher culvern
(culcn) - F
big agnes floor area on 04/14/2010 10:48:47 MDT Print View

first off, great review. however, i was curious how you got the floor area for the big agnes. i know there are two dimensions but is this the usable floor area, or min, or max, or actual calculated area?

Edited by culcn on 04/14/2010 10:54:36 MDT.

Dan Durston
(dandydan) - M

Locale: Cascadia
Big Agnes on 04/14/2010 12:16:31 MDT Print View

For the Big Agnes floor area, when I multiply the floor length (90") by the average width (52+42/2 = 47) I get 4230 square inches which corresponds to 29.375 square feet since there are 144 square inches in a square foot.

From the looks of the article, Ray is probably doing the same math and just rounding to the nearest square foot, since all the tents floor area is only listed to the square foot.

Edited by dandydan on 04/14/2010 12:18:48 MDT.

nanook ofthenorth
(nanookofthenorth) - MLife
... on 04/14/2010 13:53:46 MDT Print View

great review but how is it in hot and hot/humid weather?

Raymond Estrella
(rayestrella) - MLife

Locale: Northern Minnesota
Re: on 04/14/2010 15:13:19 MDT Print View

Thank you guys (and gals),

It is calculated area, and yes I just round off to the closest sq ft. I go by their numbers to start with, checking it once I get a sample. If their numbers are wrong it gets changed and recalc’ed, which then changes all the weight/area ratios. It can be a pain. Thank goodness we don’t track volume…

I only had the tent in late fall and winter so no data for hot, humid areas, Robert. We are limited to the time we have to use an item unless we drag out the review. As we are looking at a very large amount of tents in a relatively short time (8 months) we have to work with the window we have.

That said I would “guess” that it would do well. If it were not raining I would set it up in those conditions sans fly. If raining I have to say that the ventilation scheme is as good as I have seen, but I really don’t know how it will work for you.

P. P.
(toesnorth) - F

Locale: PNW
MSR Hubba Hubba HP on 04/14/2010 15:45:24 MDT Print View

Ray,
Do you think that the Hubba Hubba HP would be significantly better in shoulder seasons than the Copper Spur UL2?

Raymond Estrella
(rayestrella) - MLife

Locale: Northern Minnesota
better than CS on 04/14/2010 17:15:49 MDT Print View

I have a lot of experience with the CS in winter conditions and yes, I really do think the HP is better. I was so impressed with it that I sold one of my 4-season tents and rotated this into its place. My plan is to use this for all but dead-of-winter or harsh locales (extreme winds, monster snow fall, etc).

Mike Lamper
(Lamper) - F
Re: Hubba Hp on 04/15/2010 04:05:08 MDT Print View

That is very odd.

I ordered mine from www.cheaptents.com last April - he sent me the one he was going to use for display as I bugged him about wanting it so much.

Mine is Yellow and very bright! Looks awesome in my photos with a lantern inside.

Also, last summer I used the HP in the tarp mode with footprint and its very comfortable. The extra room you gain in the vestibules with no inner is great and gives easy access to bag and even cook inside.

For night when humidity is high I also use a TI Goat Ptarmigan bivy as a sleeping bag cover against the damp.

Works a treat!

Edited by Lamper on 04/15/2010 04:09:02 MDT.