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Jacob D
(JacobD) - F

Locale: North Bay
Kookabay pads ? on 04/05/2010 12:08:05 MDT Print View

I had never heard of these pads until reading about them here recently. Can someone please tell me; are they down filled AND inflatable? Sorry to be thick headed but down fill in an inflatable pad is a new concept for me.

I'm currently on a Thermarest Prolite 3 48" pad. I'm looking for more comfort, meaning more padding under me primarily, more insulation would be welcomed as well (without significant increase in weight).

My wife is a on REI Trekker pad. Comfort is more important than weight to her but it would be nice to find her a lighter option as well so I'm wondering about these pads...

Michael Crosby
(djjmikie) - MLife

Locale: Ky
"Kookabay pads ?" on 04/05/2010 12:15:45 MDT Print View

Bender will make just about anything you want as far as a pad or pillow. I have both a pad and 2 pillows and they are top notch workmanship.
Mike

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(annapurna) - MLife
Re: Kookabay pads ? on 04/05/2010 12:24:09 MDT Print View

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Edited by annapurna on 05/01/2010 22:09:20 MDT.

Jacob D
(JacobD) - F

Locale: North Bay
Re: Kookabay pads ? on 04/05/2010 12:39:04 MDT Print View

Thanks to you both, I was just about to ask who or what Bender is. Can either of you just clarify for me if the pads are indeed inflatable down filled pads (as opposed to just inflatable, or just down filled?). I guess they can be custom made, I was just looking at the pads on the site.


As far as comfort, what mainstream products are they comparable to (if not better than)?

Travis Leanna
(T.L.) - MLife

Locale: Wisconsin
Re: Re: Kookabay pads ? on 04/05/2010 12:43:37 MDT Print View

Jacob,
I just got an inflatable down mat. Yes, it is inflatable, and there is down inside. Think of a Big Agnes Air Core, with a bunch of down feathers inside. You shouldn't really blow it up with air from your lungs because of the moisture in your breath, but the BA Pumphouse works really well for blowing it up.

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(annapurna) - MLife
Re: Re: Re: Kookabay pads ? on 04/05/2010 12:51:06 MDT Print View

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Edited by annapurna on 05/01/2010 22:08:50 MDT.

Ben Smith
(goosefeet) - MLife

Locale: Georgia
Re: Re: Kookabay pads ? on 04/05/2010 12:54:12 MDT Print View

Jacob,

To answer your question, there is no down or other insulation inside of the pads that Bender sells on his website. If you want a down or synthetic insulated pad, you need to email him directly. I have both a down-insulated and a non-insulated pad, and they are both great!

- Ben

Travis Leanna
(T.L.) - MLife

Locale: Wisconsin
Re: Re: Re: Kookabay pads ? on 04/05/2010 13:01:13 MDT Print View

Yes, Ben makes a good point. The down mats must be custom ordered.

Jacob D
(JacobD) - F

Locale: North Bay
Thanks on 04/05/2010 13:56:49 MDT Print View

Sounds good I will get in touch with him.

@Ben
How does the weight on your down filled vs. regular inflatable compare? As far as cushion goes, do you have any experience on Thermarest or BA pads to compare to?


Thanks again, everyone.

John Vance
(Servingko) - F

Locale: Intermountain West
Custom Order on 04/05/2010 14:12:27 MDT Print View

Bender currently has three fabric available from a 30d, 70d, and 200d. In addition you can go no insulation, synthetic, or down. Add in the fact that you can get custom sizes and it is difficult to determine the weight.

I am moving from a 21oz Exped down mat short (48" x 20") and a 31oz Exped down mat reg (70"x20")with both rated an R5.9 and 2.8" thick. Bender is making me a 60"x24" that is rated to R6 and 3.5" thick and should come in at 21oz in the 70d (standard weight) material.

In my mind I get much more comfort for the same weight as the short Exped but if I had gone with a 60"x20" R5 pad in the 30d material, it would have come in around 14oz.

Raymond Estrella
(rayestrella) - MLife

Locale: Northern Minnesota
Kookabay pads ? on 04/05/2010 16:41:29 MDT Print View

Jacob I just got my Kooka Bay pad. It is 74x24x3-1/2, 70 D fabric down filled. It weighs 27 oz (765 g).

My Exped DownMat 9 (old style) is 70x20x3-1/2 and weighs 32.6 oz (924 g)

My Big Agnes Dual Core Mummy Long is 20x78x2-1/2 (mummy-shaped) and weighs 35.9 oz (1018 g)

Last, my BA Insulated Air Core rectangular long is 20x78x2-1/2 and weighs 26.3 oz (746 g)

I used it on snow with a quilt over me and was very warm.Kooka on snow

Jacob D
(JacobD) - F

Locale: North Bay
Good Info on 04/05/2010 17:15:32 MDT Print View

Some great info provided here.

@John and Raymond
Thanks for sharing the comparison vs. your other pads, that's helpful. That 3.5" thick pad looks more plush than my bed :)

Jacob D
(JacobD) - F

Locale: North Bay
Bender on 04/05/2010 17:56:57 MDT Print View

I just fired off an email to Bender. Looking forward to hearing what he has to say.