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Mike Clelland
(mikeclelland) - MLife

Locale: The Tetons (via Idaho)
3-season GEAR LIST (assistance) on 04/03/2010 19:55:19 MDT Print View

I created a tidy gear list at the end of the 2008 summer season.

As the 2010 season rapidly approaches, I would love some comments. I feel like
this list works for me, but I want to make sure I am not doing something (or carrying
something) just "because I always do it that way."

I plan on revising this list before summer starts in full swing,
but I am not sure if it will change much.

Any thoughts? Please - Lemme know!


GEAR LIST LINK:
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http://www.backpackinglight.com/backpackinglight/forums/gear_lists/80a5cd1800fbac69c35fad3f320f5461.pdf
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List is also posted in my PROFILE
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1 ) This list is set up for SOLO camping.

2 ) I'll be in the Northern Rockies in the Yellowstone eco-system.

3 ) The WEATHER is usually cool at night (above freezing) and never too hot during
the day (rarely above 80 F). Plenty of good weather, but it can rain HARD,
and a little snow isn't unheard of.

4 ) I do a lot of overnight trips (where I can tweak this list a little lower).
But I plan on doing some more ambitious outings, the longest would
be about 11 days, and this would match the content of the list.

Edited by mikeclelland on 04/03/2010 20:03:15 MDT.

todd harper
(funnymoney) - MLife

Locale: Sunshine State
Re: 3-season GEAR LIST (assistance) on 04/03/2010 20:21:02 MDT Print View

Mike,

I don't know what to say!

You have your list dialed in for your style, and are "ruthless" (in a good way) at advising us on slashing ounces & pounds!!

Things like your pot grabber seem heavy to me given your overall style and packweight; however I can't bring myself to actually say it since you're so low overall!

I honestly think you don't need to change anything to make your trips more enjoyable - except for bringing toilet paper :)

Todd

Mike Clelland
(mikeclelland) - MLife

Locale: The Tetons (via Idaho)
tiny pliers on 04/03/2010 20:32:07 MDT Print View

qqOh those beautiful pot grips.

(A) These are auto supply Teeny-weenie channel lock pliers. Yes, 1.5 ounces - UHHG! But, they are superior to any other pot holder.

I've burned my hands (and shirt sleeves) too often to depend on gloves or a bandana. The alcohol stove has an invisible flame! So, I like some sort of pot holder. I've found that the MSR cute version (C) is too small, and it's still easy to burn your hand. Plus, they self destruct after a while.

(D) is about the same wieght as the tiny channel Lock pliers (A)

But - I have a *trangia* stove that came with a cool little grabber (B) that is pretty good, and well under an ounce. Good - solved - done!

Edited by mikeclelland on 04/04/2010 10:25:06 MDT.

Greg Mihalik
(greg23) - M

Locale: Colorado
Re:The List on 04/03/2010 21:46:12 MDT Print View

Mike,
I notice you have both long pants and shorts. What's up with that?

I see you have a coffee filter. Do you carry the grounds out?
Or is it for water quality?


But WOW! Very impressive and low weight list. It certainly gives me something to strive for. It will get a lot of study over the next few weeks.

Thanks.

Edited by greg23 on 04/03/2010 21:47:40 MDT.

Mike Clelland
(mikeclelland) - MLife

Locale: The Tetons (via Idaho)
I can NIX that (YES!) on 04/03/2010 23:30:52 MDT Print View

I carry the coffee filter for filtering coffee. I have recently been drinking TURKISH coffee, so I can NIX that (YES!)

Also - I scatter my coffee grounds. I feel this is a very minimum impact. I do not just dump them on the ground. I "sprinkle" them in bushes and areas they would never be seen, and in soil that is organic.

I wear a thin nylon pair of running shorts UNDER my light hiking pants. Most of the time, I'll wear the pants, but if it gets hot, and there aren't too many prickers along the trail, I'll add the weight of those pants to my pack. But, they are mostly on my legs.

Mike McHenry
(mtmche2) - F
Sleeping Pad Weight on 04/04/2010 00:09:11 MDT Print View

Your torso length sleeping pad weighs 15.1 oz? This has to be a typo. Also might bring you under 7 lbs. base weight.

Look, I found a way to reduce your pack weight by changing nothing but the numbers on your spreadsheet... : )

Edited by mtmche2 on 04/04/2010 00:12:33 MDT.

Mike W
(skopeo) - F

Locale: British Columbia
3-season GEAR LIST (assistance) on 04/04/2010 02:38:07 MDT Print View

Mike -

I'm curious... why do you need gaitors? I've found that long pants do a pretty good job of keeping sand and debris out of my shoes and only wear gaitors if I think I'll be post hole-ing in snow.

Why is your MSR Mug so heavy? My Snow Peak Mini Solo only weighs 3.7 oz with the lid... maybe a spreadsheet error?

I'd also find a tin foil lid a real pain for a 12 day trip.

Edited by skopeo on 04/04/2010 11:08:02 MDT.

Mike Clelland
(mikeclelland) - MLife

Locale: The Tetons (via Idaho)
(assistance) on 04/04/2010 09:07:46 MDT Print View

Reply to Mike:
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My torso length pad has been modified. I glued on a thin yellow EVAZOTE pad to the bottom, creating a full length pad. It works perfectly! I even wrote an article about it - but I cant find it.
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Yes, it weighs 15.1 oz.
qqq
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Reply to another Mike:
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I have done a lot of experimenting with gaiters. I've done long multi day hikes with and without. In the end, i find that I like them, they help with foot issues. They keep dust and grit out of my shoes and socks (at least it helps). Actually, it is little seeds that cling to my socks that I find the most troublesome, and the gaiters help a lot. So, I know I could get by without them, but they help enough that I wear them. I do a lot of off trail hiking, so tiny seeds (that cling) are an issue for me.


Also - I think I posted the weight of the rather big MSR TITAN Kettle (750ml). I like slightly larger size for cooking on a stove when I'm solo. I have a smaller mug I use when I am camping with teammates. I should use only the small mug on the next test trip.

The aluminum foil lid is easy! Especially on the mug size. It is actually made from an old pie pan.

Edited by mikeclelland on 04/04/2010 15:22:47 MDT.

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
3-season GEAR LIST (assistance) on 04/04/2010 09:20:30 MDT Print View

Mike here is a link to your own article. Use google search

http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/make_your_own_gear_multi_pad_ground_sheet.html

David Chenault
(DaveC) - BPL Staff - F

Locale: Crown of the Continent
not much to say on 04/04/2010 09:27:25 MDT Print View

There are some things you could get rid of in part or in full, but most come down to preference.

-10 stakes is a lot. If you don't want to bother hunting lots of rocks, you still might be able to bring fewer.

-Mug seems heavy for solo.

-Hardrocks are porkers, but if they work they work,

-If you can live without the t-shirt you could ditch it (I carry a very similar range of clothes for summer up here, and I wouldn't leave out my t-shirt either).

Mike Clelland
(mikeclelland) - MLife

Locale: The Tetons (via Idaho)
(assistance) on 04/04/2010 10:33:12 MDT Print View

1) Ken - Thanks for the search - I couldn't find it. About that article - I have cut off the TYVEC, it was a easy solution for the ground cloth, but I found I didn't need it - so now its gone.

2) David - Yes - the mug will get replaced.

3) Hard rocks fit my feet SO wonderfully! But they no longer make them.

4) I don't stress to much about the clothing worn, and I wear it ALL to sleep, so the T-shirt is part of my insulation sleeping at night system.

5) Yes, 10 stakes are a lot, but 4 of them are made from tiny titanium BIKE SPOKES. These slightly flimsy stakes are for the tie out cords along the side edges, these don't need much strength compared to the ridge-line.

Justin Tremlin
(notu) - F

Locale: Central Washington
Re: 3-season GEAR LIST (assistance) on 04/04/2010 12:08:08 MDT Print View

Two options to think about.

Have - patagonia stretch jackalope synthetic 11.6 oz.
Try - BPL Thorofare Pant 3.9oz.

Have – MSR titanium mug & pot grabber 4.5 oz.
Try - Snow Peak 450 Ti Mug with handles 2.4oz. No pot holder needed.

Weight savings of 9.8oz

Chris Gray
(ChrisFol) - F

Locale: Denver, Coloado
Re: Re: 3-season GEAR LIST (assistance) on 04/04/2010 13:37:03 MDT Print View

"Try - Snow Peak 450 Ti Mug with handles 2.4oz. No pot holder neede"

The SP 450 is listed at 4.2oz. However for 0.5 volume less than the 450, the MSR Titan mug is worth considering, the best part is that it only weighs 1.9oz. You could also take the handles off and shave some more weight. The downside is that it doesn't quite hold two cups of water-- the capacity is 13.5fl oz.

Edited by ChrisFol on 04/04/2010 13:39:34 MDT.

Justin Tremlin
(notu) - F

Locale: Central Washington
Re: Re: Re: 3-season GEAR LIST (assistance) on 04/04/2010 14:08:15 MDT Print View

The SP 450 Single Wall is listed at 2.4oz and has an actual volume of 15.2fl oz. The SP 450 Double Wall however weighs 4.2oz.

According to Mikes list. His pot and pot holder together weighs 4.5oz. The idea is that even though a pot with handles would weigh more (in this case 2.4oz) it would weigh less than a pot without handls plus a pot holder.

Edited by notu on 04/04/2010 14:12:06 MDT.

Dean F.
(acrosome) - MLife

Locale: Back in the Front Range
TP? on 04/04/2010 14:24:08 MDT Print View

Hey Mike, where's the TP?

You can't go hiking without TP!

:o)

Ben 2 World
(ben2world) - MLife

Locale: So Cal
Re: TP? on 04/04/2010 14:45:51 MDT Print View

Dean the instigator (I would never do such a thing, oh no, not I)... :)

Justin Tremlin
(notu) - F

Locale: Central Washington
Re: TP? on 04/04/2010 14:53:54 MDT Print View

I don't think Mike is a fan of TP. He gave me a hard time for packing four 4"x4" squares of blue shop towel for such a use. I think he prefers "Oh Natural".

Greg Mihalik
(greg23) - M

Locale: Colorado
Re: Re: TP? on 04/04/2010 14:57:03 MDT Print View

You got one Dean!
Reel 'em in.

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
TP on 04/04/2010 15:15:56 MDT Print View

Does he use it at home?

Mike Clelland
(mikeclelland) - MLife

Locale: The Tetons (via Idaho)
Oh well... on 04/04/2010 15:26:11 MDT Print View

http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/toilet_paper_free.html

(link above)

Is this my claim to fame?

Oh well...