"I'm sure the tarptent shelters are great too and i would definitely consider one if not for the fact that i would have to place a seperate order to the main one and the cost of shipping to australia would probably make the tarptent cost more than an msr one"

Isn't Franco an Aussie? Or have I gotten his location mixed up with someone else's? He's quite helpful, when he's around. I imagine he does go out wandering in the bush now and again, though ;)

I have a Scarp1, which I'm quite pleased with... and my first attempt at pitching it was in my living room. My little feline supervisors seemed to think it was rather amusing to watch me knocking things over with the long poles while threading them into position... it's MUCH easier to pitch outdoors because of that ;)

With the crossing poles it's free-standing, and even though the directions say to stake it down and THEN add the crossing poles, it's not actually hard to pitch it without staking it. I've done this a couple of times; rather than staking it down to pitch it in the soft ground, I used the crossing poles and then added anchors.

I would never advocate NOT staking a tent down just because it's freestanding, but I have to admit that being freestanding makes it easier to pitch at times. As I get better at selecting camp sites and securing tents, it will probably even out.

"Don't hesitate to get the Nemo Andi at the same weight as the HH HP you get 9in more width (it's 50 in middle 59 at ends) 9in longer 2 inches taller and you get a MUCH better quality product."

I contacted Nemo awhile back because when I got into a Nano it was much smaller than advertised. They indicated that they measure the dimensions from outside the tent because this is the industry standard. I don't know about the standard, but I do know that measuring from the outside means that the slope of the walls will take out meaningful usable space.

The Andi also requires setting up the poles inside the shelter, which is a major pain the rump.

It is also single walled and will not manage condensation as well as a double walled shelter with a mesh inner.

It also only has one door and one vestibule.

On paper, the Andi simply doesn't measure up.

I believe MSR measures from the outside as well (it is the industry standard). Even if they didn't Andi is a larger tent.

Also, Andi uses external pole sleaves. Not internal as the Nano.

As for condensation, I think it manages it better than a HH. The fly on the HH would always be wet when I packed it since it was a pain to use a towel to wipe it down. As for any of my 3 Nemo tents I've yet to see a drop inside. This includes sharing my GoGo with a 70lb pit bull for a pillow while fully zipped up. You could definitely tell it was several degrees warmer in our Bivy than outside.

I think for the weight you get much more tent. I wouldn't hesitate taking my Andi or even Morpho (heavy but can sleep 3) up to Camp Muir if I were expecting weather. I would definitely NOT want to bring the CR and wouldn't be that thrilled in an HP.

Having said that, summer time is also great in an Andi. You get a whole wall of mesh for bug protection if you need it and if rain comes in you don't have to mess with a fly you just use the zipper and you're done.

As for a choice between the HP or CR its quite simple:

Get the CR if you want to save weight at cost of longer set up and potential durability.

Get the HP if you want a tent that will be a tiny bit warmer in the winter breeze since all the heat doesn't get sucked out. It's also faster to set up.

Edited by Vertigo on 05/25/2010 11:04:11 MDT.

Interesting about the pole set-up. So they are external to the interior? There is a separate fly - how do the poles get 'set'?

Do you know the breathability of the Osmo fabric as say, compared to an Epic or eVENT? Thanks,

David, oh man! I love it so much more than Nano. I hated internal set up.

Look on their site at pics of tent. See the black sleaves on the outside? You just insert 2 poles corner to corner, they dead end and clip other end in to grommet - done!





The vestibule rolls up out of the way so when you need it it just zips down. I love it for the PNW.

These are the old numbers for OSMO. They changed fabric Manufacturers this year so they said it was a bit better than the old numbers with a much better hand feel.

NEMO OSMO fabric:
Weight: 2.22 Oz/yd2
Water Vapor Transmission: 5618 g/24h/m2
Hydrostatic Resistance (Water Proofness) 123 psi

Edited by Vertigo on 05/25/2010 11:18:12 MDT.

Alex you Dog. I like this approach and as I am in the market for a 2 person shelter......would be ideal to set up in the rain......

David the Andi is my favorite tent. Definitely check it out. I think the build quality on Nemo gear is just awesome. I lay there in it just admiring the seam taping.

My GF loves the Morpho becaue it blows up and she thinks thats "cool" so we use that one the most for us 2 plus dog. Who am I to argue?

It is pretty heavy by my standards but we split the weight between the 3 of us (dog has pack too) and that way we still only carry around 12-14lbs.

I just got a smoking deal on the GoGo LE at REI so any time I go up with the boys I bring my GoGo.

So Alex - can't tell by the pics - is it double walled?

Really? It looks pretty clear to me. The pole sleeves are attached to the exterior of the single wall. Similar design as the Nano, only difference is the poles are outside the wall instead of inside.

Your eyes are better than mine. When I first looked at the picture, it looked like there might be a second inside wall.

David,
I think you can see the seams on the inner bug net... I had to look twice too, and I have "eagle eyes". It is deceptive, if you didn't check it, the photo makes it look like it is double walled...

Peace, James.

Its a single wall tent. I would describe the entrance as all mesh so basically you have 1 major wall made of mesh. The other large wall has a mesh vent and the two smaller side walls are just the osmo fabric. It's definitely a "single wall" tent.

If you're familiar with Bibler or Black Diamond style tents this is the same thing with external poles sleaves and a built in vestibule.

Alex - are the specs 93" long or 82" long? I am looking at the specs on the Nemo Equipment site and the picture of the layout appears a bit confusing. Is this because the middle of each wall is caternary cut? Would two 'long' sleeping bags fit or is this shelter similar in size to the Nano? Thanks,

My size L bag fits in Andi ...but did slightly touch in Nano depending on me scooting down. The Andi is a few inches longer and a couple inches less tall.

Here is the spec grahic. It says it's 80 in the middle:


It basically sweeps in 6 inches on each short side. I don't have any isses with touching the tent wall.

Edited by Vertigo on 05/26/2010 09:14:27 MDT.

Thanks Alex.