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Doug I.
(idester) - MLife

Locale: MidAtlantic
Re: Vibram Five Fingers on 03/18/2010 13:54:43 MDT Print View

"Douglas, you don't have this problem, do you?"

So THAT'S why I can't get the darned things to fit! It all makes sense now! ;-)

Travis Leanna
(T.L.) - MLife

Locale: Wisconsin
Re: Re: Vibram Five Fingers on 03/18/2010 14:14:49 MDT Print View

Which little toe, Douglas?

toe

John A
(JohnA) - F

Locale: Great Lakes State
Getting used to Five Fingers on 03/18/2010 14:55:06 MDT Print View

I noted my experiences conditioning myself to them in this thread: http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/forums/thread_display.html?forum_thread_id=11575

I've since done a couple more 13.1's (with socks) in them with no problem and haven't had any troubles with a few short-mileage road/sidewalk runs (no socks), but still haven't backpacked in them.

They're *very* comfortable for me and I like them very much.

John A.

Kimberly Wersal
(kwersal) - MLife

Locale: Western Colorado
Re: Getting used to Five Fingers on 03/18/2010 22:20:00 MDT Print View

Five Fingers Classic

I decided to try the Classic (okay, okay, it's not quite as ugly as the others!). Today, I cautiously tried running in them and was very pleasantly surprised at how comfortably and even springy it felt to run in them. So tomorrow I'll try a longer run in them.... if it doesn't snow...

gavin wenyon
(gavin123)
fives on 03/19/2010 06:32:28 MDT Print View

I love wearing socks with mine. I own the KSO's, however i haven't given them a try on the trail yet. I'm Still not sure how they will handle the rocky terrain. But the newer models like the Treks and Bikila's have thicker out soles. The Biklia's will have a removable insoles as well, adding a tiny bit more protection.

Jeremy Gustafson
(gustafsj) - MLife

Locale: Minneapolis
re: Vibram Five Fingers on 03/19/2010 07:45:49 MDT Print View

From my own personal experience and from the experience of others, I would encourage anyone to take it real slow when starting to run in minimalist shoes. Your calves and achilles will be screaming at you if you don't!!

Regardless of how much running you do, it is like starting over. It is a new way to run and there are many muscles from in your feet all the way up that are going to be exercised that weren't before.

I went out and ran three miles in my VFF's the first run and although I loved it, I was sore for a very long time.

The word on the street is to start at 1/4-1/2 mile and only add 10% or so every time you go out. Your body will let you know if you are overdoing it. Give your body a day or two to let you know how it feels about this new method of running. You will know if you can add more than 10%...

There are a select few that have been able to jump right into their regular miles, but most experience a lot of soreness in the transition from a padded, raised heel shoe.

Edited by gustafsj on 03/19/2010 07:48:01 MDT.

John Addleman
(Jaddleman) - F

Locale: Boulder
love em on 03/19/2010 17:30:25 MDT Print View

I've had a pair of Sprints since '06 and they're still going strong with one repair. Since there's no padding to wear out, they seem to be really durable. I have also found my foot and back pain to be much less noticeable when I'm using them regularly.

When I got them, I was using them for climbing/scrambling and as camp shoes (way light!). Now I use them for running regularly, road and trail. I find they work really well with Injinjis, and now I don't run without. My feet don't chafe and dry very quickly with the socks on. Hoping to get a pair of the leather Treks this summer and put in some 'barefoot' miles!

Thomas Trebisky
(trebisky)

Locale: Southern Arizona
I like them. on 03/19/2010 23:48:38 MDT Print View

I have a pair. The KSO model (although I wanted to buy the classics, the KSO felt better and would maybe keep the top of my feet from an ugly sunburn, we will see.)

I am not hiking or trail running with them (yet). My experience is like Jeremy's. I use them for running and try to do a couple of runs with them each week. They are totally teaching me to run differently, and YES you must start out very easy with them. I used to run with long strides, landing on my heel and rolling across my foot. Now I am running with more rapid strides and land mid to fore-foot and it is a much more sensible way to do things. These shoes will teach you to do this, because if you just hammer away on your heels - pain will be your teacher.

But this new way of running will really work your calf muscles (that is what they are there for - an amazing shock absorbing system that I was neglecting for so many years). All of this is quite the revelation -- and all this getting my feet and lower legs in shape is paying dividends even when I don't run/hike with the five fingers.

Read the book "born to run" for more background on this and an enjoyable book all around.

Nick Gatel
(ngatel) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Re: re: Vibram Five Fingers on 03/21/2010 23:01:14 MDT Print View

As I have mentioned before, I no longer hike in them (unless on manicured trails). It is too easy to hit something with my little toe, i.e. rocks, roots, etc.

Dan Durston
(dandydan) - M

Locale: Cascadia
Re: Re: Vibram Five Fingers?? on 03/25/2010 23:45:44 MDT Print View

"does anyone have a reason why they did not work for a camp shoe?"

They seem to take a long time to put on. I just picked up some KSO's today so I don't know how things will change over time, but it's taking me a while to get them on because you need to work each toe into it's little tunnel. I don't mind doing this once or twice a day, but it would be a pain if you just need them on for 30 seconds to go pee at night.

Konrad .
(Konrad1013) - MLife
puttin em on on 03/26/2010 00:06:43 MDT Print View

Yeah Dan, the first time I got them, they look me literally 2 mins each to put on. I actually suffered a toe cramp on my first attempt...hilariously sad. I'm happy to say, that after they loosened up from wear, I can get them on in about 10-20 secs each. The key is to get the toes in first, before slipping in the heel. For reference, I'm using Sprints

Edited by Konrad1013 on 03/26/2010 00:08:54 MDT.

Jeremy Gustafson
(gustafsj) - MLife

Locale: Minneapolis
re: Vibram Five Fingers?? on 03/26/2010 07:10:18 MDT Print View

They do take a little getting used to, but they do get a lot easier to put on.

If I were to only take them for a camp shoe, I would definitely find something else as there are lighter and easier to put on options.

Here's a thread from last fall that talked a lot about camp shoes... some good suggestions in there.

Camp Shoes

Michael Demchak
(mikey) - F

Locale: new england
KSO success on 03/26/2010 08:19:20 MDT Print View

Just got back from a 3 day 47 miler across the AT in CT and MA. first real backpacking trip with my very very worn down KSO's and they were awesome! very rock terrain on the last day, with surprising amounts of snow and lots of water everywhere but no blisters. I even swapped packs with another kids pack the last day that weighed about 30 pounds (arg!) my feet were a little sore this mourning, but they are fine now. I started the first day with trekking poles, but gave them to others on the subsequent two days.
mike!

Art ...
(asandh) - F
Vibram Five Fingers Reach FAD Status on 03/26/2010 09:04:49 MDT Print View

in the REI shoe department I am seeing chubby middle aged women (and men) who look like they never set foot on a trail trying on Five Fingers.
We're still a ways out from Halloween so I don't know what to make of it.
They are becoming a Must Have item.

te - wa
(mikeinfhaz) - F

Locale: Phoenix
Re: Vibram Five Fingers Reach FAD Status on 03/26/2010 09:28:06 MDT Print View

i agree, Art. they are starting to become trendy, ala "Crocs"

fwiw, i do use these for camp shoes. a bit heavy maybe, but they offer protection that i need since most of my camping is at large, where more rough surfaces are likely to be encountered. Here's a shot of the last 'campsite' we chose...

5 fings

Edited by mikeinfhaz on 03/26/2010 09:32:07 MDT.

Craig W.
(xnomanx) - F - M
Re: Re: Vibram Five Fingers Reach FAD Status on 03/26/2010 11:50:51 MDT Print View

I really wonder if they're just a bunch of hype.

I'm very into minimal footwear and practice barefoot running (not exclusively, but short runs a few times/week). I'm completely sold on the idea that 90% of shoes on the market are overbuilt and probably causing people issues...so I'm not attacking 5 Fingers from the anti-minimal angle.

That said, I just don't get them.
I've tried them on many times: I don't feel very "barefoot" with a bunch of fabric between my toes and a fairly heavy slab of rubber on my sole. I honestly feel more "barefoot" or natural wearing MT100s without socks- they're way lighter and plenty flexible, especially when broken in.

I also question getting one's toes broken in them. I literally just came home from a trail run in which, as is completely common, I kicked a rock on a rough section. It hurt WITH my toes protected in a minimal toebox. I have to wonder...wearing 5 Fingers my little toe could have likely been jammed or splayed way off to the side resulting in a break or sprain. Yeah, yeah, i know about the Tarahumara and Barefoot Ted and all of our ancestors...

But I just don't get 5 Fingers...a little gimmicky if you ask me. I might end up buying a pair just to really give them a try, but aside from the "cool" or "quirky" factor (turning heads)I really don't see what I'm gaining over ultralight racing flats.

Dan Durston
(dandydan) - M

Locale: Cascadia
Socks on 03/26/2010 12:34:11 MDT Print View

It seems that a lot of people are wearing their FiveFingers with and without socks. Do you guys buy a size larger so you could do this? For me, the 41's were way to big and the 40's (which I bought) are a nice snug fit so I can't imagine comfortably fitting socks into these as well. Maybe they'll loosen up enough though....

Edited by dandydan on 03/26/2010 12:38:52 MDT.

Jeremy Gustafson
(gustafsj) - MLife

Locale: Minneapolis
socks in vibram fivefingers on 03/26/2010 12:47:45 MDT Print View

I always wear my injinji socks in my fivefingers. I just find it more comfortable. There are seams and such that can chaff and cause blisters if you are wearing it longer distances for running or hiking. It also helps with the major stink factor that comes with wearing these shoes without socks. Lastly it adds some warmth when wearing it for lower temps. I actually went out for runs around 0F in these wearing two pairs of injinjis in them.

I was between sizes and decided to go with the larger size so that I could wear socks in them. I feel they have definitely stretched out some, so I may have been able to get by with the smaller size. On the flip side, I have heard that some peoples feet sizes change when they start running in minimalist footwear as the foot strengthens.

Nick Gatel
(ngatel) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Re: Re: Re: Vibram Five Fingers Reach FAD Status on 03/26/2010 12:50:00 MDT Print View

Craig,

Actually you will feel more "barefoot" running or hiking with the 5 fingers. You can really feel the peebles and small rocks, although there is enough protection on the soles, so you shouldn't get bruises. I think it is because there is no side support at all, and your feet can "expand" sideways. I don't know if I am communicating the expanding properly.

Your comments of getting one's toes broken, is why I rarely hike in them. Especially the little toe that is exposed. It is the smallest toe, just waiting to be injured.

They are a viable solutions for some situations, you will get more of a barefoot experience, and it will change how you footstrike. I would venture that if you did a normal long run in these, you will have some sore muscles, as you will be using them differently... that is unless you have been doing a lot of barefoot running.

Bottom line, I am hiking and running most of time in trail runners or racing flats now.

They are heavier than racing flats and your feet will STINK!! However they will last much longer than racing flats. Pretty impressed with the sole material. I wore out a couple pairs of racing flats last year.

Edited by ngatel on 03/26/2010 12:51:21 MDT.

Craig W.
(xnomanx) - F - M
Re: Re: Re: Re: Vibram Five Fingers Reach FAD Status on 03/26/2010 13:56:17 MDT Print View

I guess one of these days I'll just have to put up the money and try them. I'm not completely opposed to them, I'm just not convinced that they're something that's going to help me run better. Maybe they will, but true barefoot running combined with flats on longer/harder trails seems to have taught me what I need to know.

Ahh, but see what you've all done! Now I've thought about them enough that I have to go get a pair just to prove myself right or wrong!