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Michael Meiser
(mmeiser) - F

Locale: Michigan
Share your UL touring photos on 03/13/2010 23:42:05 MST Print View

I've started a photo sharing group for ultralight touring on Flickr and would love it if more from here joined up and shared some photos:

http://www.flickr.com/groups/ultralightbiking/

I'd also encourage you to share your photos here as well.

I'll start.

This was my winter/early spring UL road specific touring setup as of last Sunday / Monday:

UL road touring rig

Weighed in at 32lbs base, 36lbs fully loaded with food and water.

I suspect I'll have it down to 30 by summer.

And this is my UL backroad / off road snow touring setup complete with studded tires:

winter touring

Weighs in at about 45lbs.

I run completely self contained using a multi-stove approach lately. ISO+wood (summer) or alcohol+wood (summer) or whitegas+wood (winter).

I'm a bit of an opportunist on food carrying core/ staple foods like ramen, lipton noodle, coffee, cocoa, tuna, Udon, grits and other such foods but will raid gas stations grocery stores and even the occasional restraunt or cafe as time and convience allows.

Lately I've been running with a bivy, tarp and a zero degree bag. Great late fall, winter and early spring setup. In the summer I tend to use a tent more due bugs. Eventually I suspect I'll get into hammocking.

I'd love to see more people out there just taking off on multi-day rides out their back door as convience allows. Going UL, covering lots of easy miles, crashing / stealth camping where they may and just generally riding over multiple days the way they would on any saturday or sunday afternoon.

That's my style anyway. I call my little touring trips "crimes of convience".

UL touring also affords more possibilities for backroad and off road touring.

Cheers!

Edited by mmeiser on 03/13/2010 23:44:19 MST.

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Share your UL touring photos on 03/13/2010 23:58:15 MST Print View

How does your bike behave in the wind with the frame centered bag. Looks like a sweet setup. I need to get back on mine.

Arapiles .
(Arapiles) - M

Locale: Melbourne
Re: Share your UL touring photos on 03/14/2010 00:31:46 MST Print View

What do you do for water - do you use a hydration pack?


Edit: not to worry, just noticed the water bottle on the front fork.

Edited by Arapiles on 03/14/2010 00:36:08 MST.

Timo Anttalainen
(timoa)

Locale: Finland, Espoo
kickbike on 03/14/2010 04:17:34 MDT Print View

Not bicycle, but almost.
kickbike

Miguel Arboleda
(butuki) - MLife

Locale: Kanto Plain, Japan
Re: kickbike on 03/14/2010 09:14:14 MDT Print View

Timo, what is the advantage of a kickbike? Isn't the clearance rather troublesome off-road?

M_M, do you find that the frame bag causes problems when you want to lift the bicycle?

Edited by butuki on 03/14/2010 09:15:37 MDT.

Timo Anttalainen
(timoa)

Locale: Finland, Espoo
Re: kickbike on 03/14/2010 09:40:41 MDT Print View

Riding kicbike is fun! My average speed is same with kickbike or bike. Photo is from my trip finland to gotland (sweden) and back.

My trip photos: http://www.kevytreppu.com/Valokuvat/Gotlanti_kickbike.html
About kickbike: www.kickbike.fi (in english)

David Chenault
(DaveC) - BPL Staff - F

Locale: Crown of the Continent
Smoky Mountain trip on 03/14/2010 10:44:01 MDT Print View

Smoky mountain climb

This is back in the fall of 2007. Dave Harris took this, of me topping out the big climb going north from Glen Canyon City up onto the Kaiparowits Plateau. We ate dinner in Escalante that night, and crashed in the scrub just outside town after riding for 14 hours. After we fell asleep some local rednecks found us, shot high powered rifles over our heads, and buzzed us with ATVs. Lesson learned: don't camp in sight of the road!

The trip was a good one regardless. It's much more fun (for me) to explore areas like that on a bike than a truck in 4 low.

I had a bivy strapped to my bars, a pad and food strapped under the seat, and a light down bag in my pack. My setup has gotten better, but that was a perfectly functional rig.

Daniel Goldenberg
(dag4643)

Locale: Pacific Northwet
Re: Share your UL touring photos on 03/14/2010 10:46:31 MDT Print View

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Late Winter/Early Spring ride in the Cascades. 15lb baseweight including panniers (30L total).

Edited by dag4643 on 03/14/2010 10:53:06 MDT.

Greg Lewis
(gpl916) - F

Locale: PNW
Re: Re: Share your UL touring photos on 03/14/2010 10:53:03 MDT Print View

Hey Daniel,
That looks like the Iron Horse/ John Wayne trail. Do you know if there are plans to open the tunnels again?
Greg

Daniel Goldenberg
(dag4643)

Locale: Pacific Northwet
Re: Re: Re: Share your UL touring photos on 03/14/2010 10:58:37 MDT Print View

Hi Greg,
Yes, that's the Iron Horse Trail. That's back from 2005 when we had that dry winter and the Iron Horse trail was pretty snow free.

The latest I heard was that the tunnel under Snoqualmie pass is closed indefinitely, until repairs are made. I have not been able to find any kind of schedule. I suppose it may eventually open up again, by if it does I suspect it will be many years. Really a shame.

Michael Meiser
(mmeiser) - F

Locale: Michigan
Re: Share your UL touring photos on 03/14/2010 19:05:21 MDT Print View

@Ken Tompson, "How does your bike behave in the wind with the frame centered bag. Looks like a sweet setup. I need to get back on mine."

Wind has not been an issue thus far. In fact there's far less wind footprint then with four pannier bags. Especially from the front. I think part of it is that my leggs break the plane from the side.

However I've yet to experience any 25+ mph cross winds so we shall see.

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
Share your UL touring photos on 03/14/2010 19:08:37 MDT Print View

Thanks, you solution is an elegant one. Hated those front mounted panniers.

Michael Meiser
(mmeiser) - F

Locale: Michigan
Re: Re: Share your UL touring photos on 03/14/2010 19:15:42 MDT Print View

@ D W (Arapiles) said: "What do you do for water - do you use a hydration pack?"

While the Cross Check does have water bottle mounts on the forks I haven't yet found a place to put water bottles on the Salsa as the front fork is of a blade type with no possible way to mount bottles.

Thus far I've had plenty of room to put a water bottle in the frame bag. However over the summer I think I'll be needing more then will fit in the frame bag.

I am thinking of trying wb mounts on the handlebar or possibly the rear chainstays.

The best trick I've found thus far is to use plastic reflector mounts which come in a variety of sizes to place water bottles virtually anywhere on the frame. These appear to be more then durable enough for the job.

I also have an ultra simple / ultralightweight backpack made of nylon. It's capable of carrying 10-15 lbs comfortably, though I prefer to have nothing on my back.

-Mike

Michael Meiser
(mmeiser) - F

Locale: Michigan
Re: Re: kickbike on 03/14/2010 19:20:32 MDT Print View

@Miguel D Arboleda (butuki) said: do you find that the frame bag causes problems when you want to lift the bicycle?

I've actually left a hand grip hold along the top of the frame bag back near the seat.

This is fairly typical for frame bags.

Mine isn't perfect though so I do have to consciously slide my fingers between the bag and the frame. So though it's a typical cyclocross style grab I can't just grab it on the fly. :)

If I want to carry it higher I'll often grab it down underneath the moddle of the down tube. Great for carrying it over weeds, bushes, brush... or up stairs.

What is amazing is when you get your setup down to 35lbs picking it up is extremely easy. I'm always amazed at just how easy it is to carry it up stairs, over fences or over rough terrain.

Michael Meiser
(mmeiser) - F

Locale: Michigan
Re: kickbike on 03/14/2010 19:25:15 MDT Print View

@Timo Anttalainen (timoa), awesome!

I'd never thought about traveling by such means.

It's certainly is ultralight.

I'm curious as to how you got into it and what you see the advantages are.

Do you still travel this way?

Michael Meiser
(mmeiser) - F

Locale: Michigan
Re: Smoky Mountain trip on 03/14/2010 19:26:50 MDT Print View

@Daniel Goldenberg
(dag4643) and David Chenault (DaveC), I'd love to see your gear lists if you've got them somewhere.

Michael Meiser
(mmeiser) - F

Locale: Michigan
kickbike travel on 03/14/2010 19:54:37 MDT Print View

Been flipping through your pics.

Pretty awesome.

== on tarps ==

I like your tarp setup. Have been debating trying a wing tarp for it's extremely simple setup, but have also been looking at that type. Am I right in calling it a hooch? I've heard it is derived from swedish and/or australian military is this correct?

I'm curious as to what kind of lines you use and what kind of nots and binders. I'm not completely satisfied with my mastery of lines, knots, and other tarp craft.


== of pots and alcohol stoves ==

BTW, I like the MSR titan kettle + supercat setup. I have done some testing with it. Despite all the fanciness of the side jetted pot pressurized double walled alcohol stoves the supercat is remarkably efficient and often quite a bit hotter. Not to mention its extreme simplicity and lightness.

Have been experimenting with pots btw. Have been experimenting with the $6 Kmart grease pot. Great pot but I think the MSR titan is my ideal solo winter touring pot.

For summer though I think I'm going to go a little narrower for now. It does decrease efficiency a little, but this can be more then compensated for by a nice caldera cone which captures heat along the sides of the pot as well.

== of kickbikes ==

I see some big advantages of the kickbike btw. For one thing it's extremely simple and efficient. Not quite as effcient as a bike drivetrain, but it's simplicity and comfortable step on off stance are appealing. I imagine it can be considerably lighter then a traditional bike.

What's more I believe one could take it places where a traaditional bike couldn't go? How is it walking with it?

Daniel Goldenberg
(dag4643)

Locale: Pacific Northwet
Re: Re: Smoky Mountain trip on 03/14/2010 19:57:02 MDT Print View

I don't have my gearlist anymore but remember fairly well what I took:

Shelter/Sleep system
Pimped out Hilleberg Akto.
Nunatak Arc X down quilt
Thermarest pro lite 3
small thermarest sitpad

Clothing.
Basically what I wore (Merino LS top + Rain Jacket, supplex pants)
extra clothing was Merino long bottoms and montbell thermawrap jacket, some gloves and beenie, extra pair of socks.

Cooking
Gigapower stove and snowpeak 600 cup
2 bike water bottles + platy 2L reservoir.
aquamira.
600 cubic inch drybag for food.

Usual toiletries, 1st air stuff, headlight, etc.

Most of the stuff was what I would have taken on a typical backpacking trip, with an approximate baseweight of 11-12 lbs.

The panniers where Ortlieb small front panniers that I used at the back, and weighed about 3 lbs for the pair. This added a couple of pounds vs using a 16 oz ultralight frameless pack, taking the weight up in the 14 lb range.

Then bicycle specific stuff (spare tubes, tire repair stuff, basic tools) added another 16 oz approx, taking the weight up to about 15 lbs.

Timo Anttalainen
(timoa)

Locale: Finland, Espoo
kickbike on 03/15/2010 14:33:26 MDT Print View

@mmeiser

"I'm curious as to how you got into it and what you see the advantages are.
Do you still travel this way?"

My friend have kickbike. I try it and... now i have my own. It is simple. No broken parts. Only tires. Now i have about 2000 km (1242 miles) with kickbike and only repair is tires, everything else is ok. When i use bicycle my thigh (is this right word?) and ass is killing me. With kickbike i use legs, back and arms to move. So all of my body get exercise.

And yes, i travel this way. Now here in Finland is winter so i need to wait spring.

ps. other kickbike trip to Lapland Finland: http://www.kevytreppu.com/Valokuvat/Kickbike_lappi.html
it says:
"10082009 jne. alkuiset on kännykkäkuvia jotka eivät ole täysin järjestyksessä. Muut ovat."

Mean: for example 10082009 pictures aren't in order. IMGB_... are in time order.

pps. sorry my bad english...

Gordon Smith
(swearingen) - MLife

Locale: Portland, Oregon
Brooks on 03/16/2010 09:51:03 MDT Print View

@Daniel,

Is that a sprung Brooks saddle on your bike? Man, I love mine. Old school, but still the best by a long shot.

Gordon