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So, What's an UL Weight? SUL?
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Zachary Crane
(zcrane) - F

Locale: Midwest, USA
So, What's an UL Weight? SUL? on 02/25/2010 15:46:57 MST Print View

I'm just curious as to what everyone sees as an ultralight base weight. We can extend that a little further to bring in peoples thoughts on Super Ultralight base weights.

Bring on the opinions!

(Sorry if this has been discussed before. This subject is nearly impossible to search the forums for)

Dan Durston
(dandydan) - M

Locale: Cascadia
Weight on 02/25/2010 15:50:40 MST Print View

Yeah it's been discussed a lot. There are varying opinions but generally it's:

<5 lbs - SUL
<10 lbs - UL
<20 lbs - Lightweight
>20 lbs - Traditional

Edited by dandydan on 02/25/2010 15:51:58 MST.

Zachary Crane
(zcrane) - F

Locale: Midwest, USA
Thanks on 02/25/2010 15:52:43 MST Print View

Thanks Dan.

Sorry to bring it up, since it's been discussed before. Very interesting though!

Travis Leanna
(T.L.) - MLife

Locale: Wisconsin
Re: Thanks on 02/25/2010 15:59:20 MST Print View

Some peg Ultralight at <12, and lightweight in the low 20's. There's no hard rule about it, as Dan said.

Jim MacDiarmid
(jrmacd) - MLife
XUL on 02/25/2010 16:02:56 MST Print View

You left out XUL(sub 3lb base weight)

Jay Wilkerson
(Creachen) - MLife

Locale: East Bay
So, Whats an UL weight? SUL? on 02/25/2010 16:04:34 MST Print View

I have a base weight around 9 LBS but I am 6'3 235. Is there a ratio depending on you height and weight. The Skerkas and Jordans of the BPL community are tiny compared to to me-they have very lightweight packs but I almost way 100 LBS more then them. Maybe I am SUL because of my weight and height.. Are there any math peolpe that can make a equation are a ratio based on Dans numbers and body weight and size?

Just curious....

Juston Taul
(Junction)

Locale: Atlanta, GA
Re: XUL on 02/25/2010 16:05:24 MST Print View

You left out XUL(sub 3lb base weight)

Ha! :D I give up.

Matt Lutz
(citystuckhiker) - F

Locale: Midwest
Re: XUL on 02/25/2010 16:07:51 MST Print View

XUL is sub-5 lb full skin out weight i.e. everything you are carrying and wearing.

Robert Blean
(blean) - MLife

Locale: San Jose -- too far from Sierras
Re: So, Whats an UL weight? SUL? on 02/25/2010 16:17:03 MST Print View

This whole topic was pretty well explored in a thread called Backpacking Weight Ranks

One idea for XUL was <5 lbs FSO (SUL is < 5 lbs base weight).

Jay,
Just for you -- that thread had a tongue-in-cheek notion invented by Dean Fellabaum called PWI (Pack Weight Index).

-- MV

Jay Wilkerson
(Creachen) - MLife

Locale: East Bay
UL and SUL and XUL on 02/25/2010 16:20:08 MST Print View

Thanks Robert, I will check it out.

Dean F.
(acrosome) - MLife

Locale: Back in the Front Range
PWIn vs EPW vs HAPWE on 02/25/2010 16:21:37 MST Print View

WAS it tongue-in-cheek??? :o)

And, Jay, if you are looking for a metric to define how hard it is for you to carry a pack of a given weight compared to an "average" 5'10" hiker, then you want PWIn or EPW. (But I think EPW is a better metric. See the last page of that thread.)

BUT if you just want an idea of how much harder it is for you to lighten your pack because some of your gear must be bigger, then you want HAPWE.

I have defined HAPWE and EPW as the "standard" metrics, and have abandoned the archaic PWI and PMI.

Again, Ryan, be sure to get it all correct in your next edition, and spell my name correctly. :o)

Edited by acrosome on 02/25/2010 17:18:44 MST.

Robert Blean
(blean) - MLife

Locale: San Jose -- too far from Sierras
Re: PWI on 02/25/2010 16:31:46 MST Print View

> WAS it tongue-in-cheek??? :o)

Beats me ... only the author knows, and I doubt he is telling.

But there were clues ... let everyone read and decide for themselves ...

-- MV

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife

Locale: Behind the Redwood Curtain
SUL on 02/25/2010 18:06:05 MST Print View

Jay I think you're super. I too am 6'3" 220lbs 9 pound base as well. That is SUL as far as I'm concerned. We are bigger if anyone wants to disagree ;-)

Juston Taul
(Junction)

Locale: Atlanta, GA
nm on 02/25/2010 18:17:31 MST Print View

nm

Edited by Junction on 02/25/2010 18:35:45 MST.

Jay Wilkerson
(Creachen) - MLife

Locale: East Bay
UL - SUL - XUL on 02/26/2010 18:30:51 MST Print View

Thanks Dean, That's a whole lot of info- I get it-I think!!! I JUST NEED TO LOOSE SAY 10 LBS ON THE HOOF!

-Jay