Hey guys and girls I'm new to the site and just had a real quick question. After reading up alot about L/UL packing it definitly seems the way to go these days. So here is where I'm at...I'm looking for a nice lightweight bag thats not too expensive (up to $150 but thats about all I can spare on my college budget) and would be good for a beginner. I appreciate the help guys!

Edited by Lsmith on 04/28/2006 10:50:11 MDT.

Logan, don't forget the ladies, it's not just guys on the site!!!!

http://www.gossamergear.com/ has a number of gear lists with a boy scout list designed for those on a budget and it recommends a quilt.

You could make your own quilt from one of the kits here http://www.ray-way.com/php/order-form.php for well under this budget. Or you could buy one here http://www.fanaticfringe.com/page6.html

Edited by PedroArvy on 04/27/2006 17:50:17 MDT.

www.jacksrbetter.com has down quilts at half the weight and bulk suggested in the referenced gear list...trade off is higher cost.

Pan

The Kelty Light Year is a pretty good value for a down bag. It's rated at 25-F, though that's probably, um, a stretch. But it ought to be good down into the 30s, and weighs a little over 2 pounds. And it meets your budget requirements.

http://moontrail.com/slpng_bg/kelty_lightyear25.html

--Ken

Sorry, I didn't mean to exclude women from my comment and I've fixed it. My situation is that I'm going to be working in Colorado for the summer (July 3 - Aug. 13) as a camp counselor and I want to make sure that I stay warm during the nights. They recommend a bag rated at 20-F and thats what I have now (Bass Pro Shop mummy, its massive), but that bag is just going to be too big and bulky to pack on a 3-night trip.

I Made this list a few weeks ago:


Brand.............Model........Temp...Weight, oz..Fill material......Price.....Vendor

Coleman........Grey Fox20.......20F.....48.......Polarguard 3D.......$90.00..backcountryedge.com
Kelty..........Sonora 20........20F.....50.......Polarguard 3D.......$90.00..backcountryedge.com
Kelty..........Lightyear 3D 25..25F.....38.......Polarguard 3D.......$90.00..campmor.com
Marmot.........Pounder Plus.....25F.....34.......Primaloft Sport....$180.00..Backcountry.com
Moonstone......Delta Minima.....20F.....35.......Polarguard Delta...$150.00..Backcountry.com
Mt. Hardwear...2nd Dimension....15F.....50.......Polarguard Delta...$175.00..Altrec.com
Mt. Hardwear...Switch...........20F.....48.......Thermolite Extra...$120.00..REI
Sierra Designs Wild Bill........20F.....48.......Polarguard 3D......$100.00..Altrec.com
Sierra Designs Cochise..........15F.....49.......Polarguard Delta...$140.00..LL Bean
Sierra Designs Volt.............15F.....40.......Primaloft Sport....$210.00..REI
Slumberjack....Ultimate.........20F.....48.......Thermolite Extreme..$70.00..Campmor
TNF............Cat's Meow.......20F.....45.......Polarguard Delta...$159.00..Altrec.com
TNF............Fission..........20F.....36.......Polarguard Delta...$209.00..Backcountry.com
TNF............Orion............20F.....38.......Primaloft..........$189.00..Backcountry.com
TNF............Blaze............20F.....46.......Polarguard 3D......$109.00..Moosejaw.com

I did some very loose searches and it was just for synthetic bags. I got a Sierra Designs Wild Bill for $66 on Ebay. Watch for model years on heavily discounted bags. You can get bargains, but manfacturers will change specs and keep the same name--- just so you get apples if you order apples :)

Edited by dwambaugh on 04/28/2006 11:37:46 MDT.

Great list! I ran across the Wild Bill bag and read several reviews on it and they were somewhat mixed. Most bad ones referred to the bad losing its loft but this was after a two year period or longer. Thanks again for that list!

The Wild Bill purchase was bargain driven for sure. I have a couple different summer bags and wanted to get something that would extend my season a bit-- that means Cascade lowlands Winter hiking, which means M-U-D.

The bag I'd like to get is the Intergral Designs Renaisance, but it is $200. I'll wait like a spider to jump on a bargain there :)

Logan, When your in CO swing by the MontBell flagship store in Boulder.

Look at their Super Stretch Burrow Bag #3.

43oz. Comfortable at 32, but you can easily push it to 15deg. $140.

>The bag I'd like to get is the Intergral Designs Renaisance, but it is $200.


For my size, that bag would weigh about 56 oz.


>43oz. Comfortable at 32, but you can easily push it to 15deg. $140.


I guess these are why I'm using a Ray-Way quilt. I made mine extra-wide and a bit longer and added an extra layer of Polarguard 3D; it only weighs 36.9 oz. It's too hot to use above +45F, and I've slept warm in it at -2F with a Micropuff (not sure the Micropuff was necessary). For summer in the Rockies, I would get the deluxe kit and either do the Alpine upgrade or wear my insulation to bed (as necessary). Cost is $65-$75. I'm not sure what it would weigh, but it would certainly be lighter than mine.

http://www.ray-way.com/quilt/index.shtml

I picked up a Jacks R Better Nest down quilt (20.2 oz) for my hammock. It worked great this winter (it was my under-quilt at -2F and top-quilt at +25F, with Micropuff), and rather than making another Ray-Way quilt I'm going to use this for my 3-season top-quilt, hammock or ground. It's very nice, light, warm, sturdy and packs small. I like it.

(For Hennessy Hammock users)
http://jacksrbetter.com/index_files/Products%20List_files/Under%20Quilt.htm

(otherwise...)
http://jacksrbetter.com/index_files/Products%20List_files/No%20Snivelling%20Quilt.htm

Edited by Otter on 04/28/2006 13:46:13 MDT.

For $159 or so, you can get a Lafuma Warm 'n Light 1000g bag rated for +20F. Lafuma uses some sort of French government standard for rating their bags that uses three categories: Comfort/Limited Comfort/Extreme. The +20F is probably the Limited Comfort rating.

In any case, the 1000g is a total weight (not a fill weight) and the compressed size is likely to be pretty small.

Moontrail.com calls it a +28F bag and has pics: http://www.backcountry-equipment.com/slpng_bg/lafuma-warmnlight.php

Edited by TerribleTom on 04/28/2006 14:24:37 MDT.

"I guess these are why I'm using a Ray-Way quilt."

Quilts are great - if you can stand sleeping in a quilt.

I just came across this bag also, the Kelty Light Year 25° Ultralight Down Mummy. Any thoughts?

http://www.campmor.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/productdisplay?memberid=12500226&productid=39171580

Edited by Lsmith on 04/28/2006 14:49:20 MDT.

> Quilts are great - if you can stand sleeping in a quilt.


I didn't really find a big difference, except I can roll around a lot easier under a quilt. More like sleeping under a sheet at home. The Ray-Way DraftStoppers(tm) keep out the cold air. In a hammock it makes a big difference: much easier to get into and out of the hammock without struggle.

"I didn't really find a big difference"

Which would probably be why you dont mind sleeping under them.

Some people - and a not insignificant number of them - dont really enjoy sleeping under quilts.

Edited by RavenUL on 04/28/2006 16:34:50 MDT.

Does anyone have any experience with the Marmot Punder Plus? I've searced for reviews everywhere and couldn't find one. I'm just concerned with pack size but I think that I've finally decided to go with this bag.

No experience with the Pounder Plus but I'm guessing that it's pretty decent. For most folks the temperature rating should be more like 35F rather than the stated 25F. I have a similar Primaloft bag, the TNF Orion, that is cut a little closer (60" vs. 62") and has a little more fill(26 oz. v. 23 oz.) Though TNF says it's a 20F bag, independent testing in Europe on copper manikins rate it 30F for the "standard man". Primaloft has a nice feel to it and drapes well over your body. It's also more compressible than Polarguard. Marmot includes a 7"x14" stuff sack with the Pounder Plus which should be sufficient. A 8"x17" silnylon stuff sack came with my Orion and it's more than big enough. If you have room in your pack, go for a larger stuff sack rather than a smaller one. Synthetic fills don't like to be compressed.
The TNF Orion is now on sale at REI for $135. This may be a better deal for you than the Pounder Plus if you can tolerate the tighter girth of the Orion.

Logan, I just noticed that you'll be in Colorado in July and early August. Either of these bags should work for you then. If you get a bit cool, you can just slip on extra clothing.

Just found the EN 13537 rating for the Pounder Plus. For the "standard man", it's rated to 2.4C or 36F.

Edited by Dondo on 05/25/2006 19:05:57 MDT.

Great! Thanks for the input Dondo. I'll check a price on the Pounder Plus as the camp I'm working at is a distributor and can get it at a discounted price. I'll let you know my decision.

Logan,
Just saw your post. REI is having their anniversary sale and they have a bag called the REI Sub Kilo for men it's a 20degree bag and for women its 15degree. I've used both and I like them both. They are very decent in weight if you don't mind down...I like down. Hope that helps,
NITRO