Here:

http://www.backpacker.com/editors-choice-2010-nemo-meta-tent/videos/121

Looking good Nemo. Under 3 lbs for what seems to be a very versatile and roomy 2p, 2 door/vestibule single wall. Is it out yet and available to the public?

Edit: It's on their website so I imagine its out!

Edited by nicktruax on 02/22/2010 21:06:23 MST.

You may want to check out this video, too.

Anyone know if it will be in the upcoming tent SOTMR? Anyone know when the SOTMR will be out?

Looking at the Meta 1 and 2... why not get the SMD Lunar Solo and Duo respectively and save some weight?

Ben, I know some people like the idea of having something tougher than silicone nylon tent.

There is a weight savings and they are made in the USA.. BUT they don't give backpacker magazine enough advertising funds..

Edited by Mountainfitter on 04/26/2010 22:04:23 MDT.

20 Denier...I just tore that material..Did you hear it?

Are you serious or trolling?

Nemo is a small business that cares about their products and customers they aren't TNF everyone knows that.

Edited by Vertigo on 04/26/2010 23:46:24 MDT.

My thoughts about stronger fabrics for three-season use:

1. Nemo Meta is a three-season tent.
2. Tarptents are also for three-season use. Silnylon has proven to hold its own for three-season use for quite a few years now.
3. None of the above is designed for true winter use.

Not saying there is no place for stronger fabrics -- but looking at the typical three-season conditions that most of us face -- I actually question the need to pay for and carry Nemo's reputedly tougher but also heavier fabrics every single trip, day after day, trip after trip.

To me, much more at play is simply the fact that most people aren't used to silnylon -- rather than silnylon not being able to handle a three-season challenge.

It's kind of like traditional hikers willingly paying more and carrying heavier because they feel traditional pack cloth is simply a must for a backpack worthy of the name -- even for a medium load -- when in fact, the much lighter dyneema fabric can actually handle most all medium loads pretty darn well.

Edited by ben2world on 04/27/2010 00:04:53 MDT.

Are you serious or trolling? I am serious about Backpacker Magazine... With them you have to pay to play.. REI, Backcountry and Campsaver all posted a gear deal on there forum one day so I followed suit. I got banned from the forum. You tell me what thats called..

Nemo and Go-Lite are fine in respect to quality of gear and customer service but I think this 15denier and 20denier trend they are both doing is ridiculous and is creating disposable gear.. 15d or 20d SilNylon 6 is not the same as 30d SilNylon 6,6...

Nylon is not UV resistant so those thin fibers won't last. We are dealing with facts not opinion..

Edited by Mountainfitter on 04/27/2010 00:07:59 MDT.

I used to own a Big Agnes Seedhouse 2 SL tent. The fly was 20D siliconized nylon. The time I experienced 50mph wind gusts -- when I had to fix a broken pole, the fly was completely fine all throughout. I wouldn't call it disposable at all.

As for backpacker.com forum -- it is forbidden for companies and stores to post their own deals (stealth advertising). However, when individual members spot good deals -- be it REI or whatever tiny outfitter -- that is allowed. Your view that backpacker.com allows the big boys to advertise deals but not smaller outfits like yours -- is untrue.

Hmmm interesting. backpacker.com actually weirds me out with their "reviews" its like a one paragraph "I opened this in the store and here's what I saw", lame.

I think Nemo hits a good market point for those who don't want to sleep under a tarp and those coming from UL on the pendulum swing back to "comfy".

Personally, I like having four solid walls, part of the reason is my dog sleeps better in a single wall tent where he can't see out or sniff around too much. this hlps me sleep better. But I like having the idea of having a shelter thats overqualified for the average night out.

The moderator said something similar and said the issue was that "I work for Mountainfitter" but he forgot to mention that REI has something like 6,000 employees... How does he know who works for REI?

I don't think its a huge issue...

Edited by Mountainfitter on 04/27/2010 00:45:10 MDT.

Lawson, you wrote:

"With them you have to pay to play.. REI, Backcountry and Campsaver all posted a gear deal on there forum one day so I followed suit. I got banned from the forum. You tell me what thats called.."

And when I called you out, you then wrote:

"The moderator said something similar and said the issue was that "I work for Mountainfitter" but he forgot to mention that REI has something like 6,000 employees... How does he know who works for REI?"

Two completely different accusations now, no?

No...I was giving a play by play of what happened and why I think you have to PAY TO PLAY with backpacker mag. After I got banned I emailed the moderator to ask why.. He told me that "I work for Mountainfitter" I said how do you know the forum members posting REI deals don't work for REI since they have over 6,000 employees...

If you don't have to pay to play then why don't they offer "stealth advertisting" or a Gear Deals section like BPL especially when good deals help the forums members??? Let me answer that for you.. Because if you want to advertise you have to PAY...

Also another point mentioning. Why are the "cottage brands" never mentioned for all their innovations in Backpacker? I think its because they don't pay to advertise..

They are not some small publication like Backpacking Light...They are owned by big media group that owns like 20 other magazines. I asked Ryan Jordan if I could pay to advertise and he said NO I won't take your money. With Backpacking Light you don't have to Pay to Play.

I don't want to make a big deal about this. Your not going to change my mind and I am not going to change your mind so I think its a good idea that we agree to disagree... :)

Edited by Mountainfitter on 04/27/2010 00:44:07 MDT.

Not so simple, Lawson! I believe it's wrong to go around bad mouthing a forum and then saying "oh, no big deal". I am a regular poster at both forums. I, along with quite a few others, HATE stealth advertising. If there are gear company 'posers' engaging in stealth advertising -- we will sniff them out and report them. Your little thing about "pay to play" is completely groundless -- and frankly, irresponsible and unethical on your part.

You are welcome to prove me wrong by citing any kind of pattern where Backpacker forum allows the big boys to advertise but not you. All the posts are there. They go back years. Feel free to search by name. You know who the big boys are. If you can't provide any support -- then Lawson, I expect we will not have to read any more of your baseless rants here on this board.

Edited by ben2world on 04/27/2010 01:10:48 MDT.

"""""Not so simple, Lawson! I believe it's wrong to go around bad mouthing a forum and then saying "oh, no big deal". I am a regular poster at both forums. I, along with quite a few others, HATE stealth advertising. If there are gear company 'posers' engaging in stealth advertising -- we will sniff them out and report them. Your little thing about "pay to play" is completely groundless -- and frankly, irresponsible and unethical on your part. You are welcome to prove me wrong by citing any kind of pattern where Backpacker forum allows the big boys to advertise but not you. All the posts are there. They go back years. Feel free to search by name. You know who the big boys are. If you can't provide any support -- then Lawson, I expect we will not have to read any more of your baseless rants here on this board."""""

Get A Grip! The funny thing is I was agreeing with you about the SMD Lunars and was saying they aren't mentioned much in Backpacker Magazine because I feel you have to Pay to Play..

I am not out to prove people wrong and I said its not a big deal because I wasn't trying to make a big deal out of it. I was just posting a negative experience I had so get over it..

Edited by Mountainfitter on 04/27/2010 01:08:38 MDT.

gotta love the edit function

For what it's worth, I've seen at least TarpTent, ULA, and SMD in the annual Backpacker gear guides. Some of the products have been the lightweight mentions in their areas.