BPL Absaroka Pack
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Roger Caffin
(rcaffin) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
Re: Re: BPL Absaroka Pack on 01/22/2010 03:37:36 MST Print View

> will there be issues such as objectivity of reviews of gear

THERE WILL BE NO CHANGE IN OUR OBJECTIVITY!

Bear in mind that reviewers such as Will and myself are NOT the same as BPL. We are independent.

Cheers

Hendrik Morkel
(skullmonkey) - MLife

Locale: Finland
Anorak on 01/22/2010 03:56:07 MST Print View

"Wouldn't the bright orange colour help prevent you from getting shot in the back of the neck by hunters? Seems like a plus to me!"

Especially now that there's such lightweight guns, better to have something in bright colours.

Well, I think BPL is just smart with this pack. Its not aimed at the people reading this forum (or not yet!), but more at climbers and people who start lightweight backpacking. That are the folks who carry 40+ lb, so they need a lightweight yet good pack which carries that weight. They are enlarging their market, which is a smart business move. We gram counters are getting our BPL pack in 2011, which is just another 343 days away!

Jonathan Ryan
(Jkrew81) - F - M

Locale: White Mtns
Re: BPL Absaroka Pack on 01/22/2010 05:52:46 MST Print View

Looks like a pretty solid pack for those times when carrying less than 20lbs is just not in the cards. Good luck on the new venture BPL!

Jim Colten
(jcolten) - M

Locale: MN
Re: BPL Absaroka Pack on 01/22/2010 05:59:32 MST Print View

THERE WILL BE NO CHANGE IN OUR OBJECTIVITY!

Bear in mind that reviewers such as Will and myself are NOT the same as BPL. We are independent.


At one time BPL (Ryan, actually) vigorously defended a policy of not publishing reviews of "BPL gear" (to the displeasure of some premium members). Has that policy changed? (this member is hoping not)

Bill Poett
(wpoett@aol.com) - F

Locale: Santa Barbara
Re: Re: BPL Absaroka Pack on 01/22/2010 06:13:15 MST Print View

I have a crazy thought, since BPL has made the investment in time, research and capital why don't we let the market determine wether it becomes a hit or miss!

Just two cents thrown in from CA. Lovin' the rain out here.

Go get dirty everyone and have a great weekend.

Bill

Jim MacDiarmid
(jrmacd) - MLife
Winter pack on 01/22/2010 07:52:05 MST Print View

I have to say that I wasn't too excited yesterday, but my anticipation has grown over night. I suppose part of my disappointment was based on the unreasonable (and uneducated in terms of gear design)expectation that BPL would come out with some miracle pack; fully framed, 4000ci, compactable down to 2000ci w/o sacrficing structure, waterproof, capable of brief levitation during particulary hard climbs, convertible into a 35sqft bear-proof shelter, etc. All for about 16oz.

It's definitely intriguing as a winter pack. Right now, I can fit my winter gear into my GG Gorilla, which only has a 39 liter pack bag and 6 liters worth of pockets. That includes a 15 degree equivalent quilt combo and enough wearable insulation to take me down to zero or below. Give me another 6 liters of bag and 2-4 liters of pockets,(I love pockets) and I think I'd be set for just about all my winter camping needs for about 2lbs.

The modularity of the pack is really appealing. If the pack could get down into the 1.5lb range frameless for summer camping, it might just replace my Gorilla and reduce my pack collection to one, which would be awesome from a gear storage and lightweight living philosophy perspective.

And you can even count me in the minority that kind of likes the oragne color.

The big question will end up being what they put in place of "TBA" in the price column.

Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
BPL Absaroka Pack on 01/22/2010 08:39:17 MST Print View

"but more at climbers"

From one climber to one who is not. No, this pack is not aimed at climbers.

John Frederick Anderson
(fredfoto) - F

Locale: Spain
Poor marketing on 01/22/2010 09:05:31 MST Print View

As a non member, with an interest in the pack, it is poor marketing by BPL to limit the 'spin' about an upcoming product by making it viewable to only members via the link in the OP. My interest will naturally be guided elsewhere, to prototypes and packs I don't have to pay to see.
Watch Ron at MLD do it right about upcoming gear before it hits his shop.
fred

Luke Schmidt
(Cameron) - MLife

Locale: The WOODS
Like the flexibility on 01/22/2010 09:21:12 MST Print View

This looks interesting, I like the modularity idea. It would be great for someone who was gradually lightening up. The pack could haul 40 pounds of gear but if they get lighter the pack is still reasonably light. Not to get off topic but this is more the kind of pack I would have envisioned Golite turning out for the mass market.
I might wait for the new Artic Packs though. If I recall they were hauling up to 60 pounds in the Artic Dry Packs. I would kind of like that capability if I were dragging my (feature) family along on a trip.

Luke Schmidt
(Cameron) - MLife

Locale: The WOODS
Marketing on 01/22/2010 09:25:53 MST Print View

While we're thinking about marketing what if BPL offered a nice discount for first time members buying this pack? Increase membership and sell packs. Through in a slick "How To" DVD that explains lightweight backpacking techniques in a way that your average weekend warrior can understand so people start really understanding how UL works.

Ryan Jordan
(ryan) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Greater Yellowstone
A few more notes about the pack on 01/22/2010 10:28:42 MST Print View

Some housekeeping notes in response to the forums:

1. We don't review our own products. That's not going to change. Neither Roger nor Will nor anyone else is going to get to review this pack for BPL. It may end up in a comparison table showing specs like weight and volume somewhere, but beyond that, our policy still stands that we don't review our own gear.

2. The photos show the orange brighter than it really is. It's actually a pretty dirty, subdued orange. The color may still change, or two colors may be offered, or it may stay the same. Emphasis on "may" in all cases ;)

3. I'm not interested in building a pack for the masses, or the "public" or any other group other than the BPL community, so I'm not keen on marketing the pack's cache with "public leaks" or conducting this launch the way that MLD or GoLite or anyone else does it. The members pay the price to keep this site going and I'm not terribly apologetic about giving them first looks.

4. This pack design came in response to member's requests for features, that were in response to a prototype that I'd made last fall and featured in the "24 Hours" Hyalite video episode. So, this pack reflects a particular project with particular design objectives and is not intended to reflect a product that will appeal to all people for all things. HOWEVER of all of the packs that I have on the development map, this one will probably be the most VERSATILE and adaptable to multiple scenarios. You cannot carry 30 pounds in comfort with a frameless silnylon sack without a hip belt, but you CAN carry a pack like this with an SUL load and *gasp* guess what? Your "performance" on the trail will not be affected by the fact that you are carrying 1 or 2 extra pounds on your back! Did I say that?! :)

5. Modularity is an important component of this pack, for a number of reasons. First, you all have different body types, shapes, needs for padding, etc. Second, I am developing a smaller size for youth that will be targeted at Scout-aged kids (9-13+) and released a little later, and the modularity is needed to address their growth requirements.

Anyway, random thoughts. Good discussion on feedback as well, keep it coming.

Edited by ryan on 01/22/2010 10:31:25 MST.

John Whynot
(jdw01776)

Locale: Southeast Texas
Re: A few more notes about the pack on 01/22/2010 10:49:47 MST Print View

>>Second, I am developing a smaller size for youth that will be targeted at Scout-aged kids

That is a great idea.

Luke Schmidt
(Cameron) - MLife

Locale: The WOODS
Kids Pack on 01/22/2010 10:57:03 MST Print View

I'm a big fan of the adjustable kids pack idea. My little brother (11 years old) carries a SUL type load but sometimes he likes the extra comfort of his 3 pound Dana Designs pack more than a 1 pound frameless pack. I always felt like a pack with a frame and padding was much more beginner friendly.

Keith Selbo
(herman666) - F - M

Locale: Northern Virginia
my two cents on 01/22/2010 11:38:44 MST Print View

I don't get the slant on the pocket tops. It seems like wasted material to me. Also, without adding any weight, I'd like to see a quick on the go stow for hiking poles like Osprey came out with. It looks really convenient, but I don't want to pay the Osprey weight penalty.

Tim Marshall
(MarshLaw303) - MLife

Locale: Minnesota
Re: A few more notes about the pack on 01/22/2010 11:59:37 MST Print View

Ryan,

From the pics it looks like the sternum straps are adjusted by sliding up and down on some type of track. That is sick!!(good)

-Tim

John S.
(jshann) - F
Re: Re: A few more notes about the pack on 01/22/2010 12:58:24 MST Print View

Doesn't the golite ion have that adjustable sternum strap?

Diplomatic Mike
(MikefaeDundee)

Locale: Under a bush in Scotland
Re :BPL Absaroka Pack on 01/22/2010 13:09:33 MST Print View

I've got used to having a big mesh pocket on the back of my packs. I couldn't see myself buying a pack for backpacking with that didn't have one.

Jonathan Ryan
(Jkrew81) - F - M

Locale: White Mtns
Re: A few more notes about the pack on 01/22/2010 13:28:34 MST Print View

"on the trail will not be affected by the fact that you are carrying 1 or 2 extra pounds on your back! Did I say that?! :)"

NICE! It had to be said Ryan.

Rick Dreher
(halfturbo) - MLife

Locale: Northernish California
Re: my two cents on 01/22/2010 13:46:23 MST Print View

Hi Keith,

I'm not privy to the design path of this pack, but assume the diagonal openings are to allow gear and supplies to be retrieved and replaced on the go. In my experience this small touch makes a big difference in my frustration index. The other thing I notice is there are no compression straps crossing over the pockets, another common design no-no. Could one stow poles there on the go? Hard to say without a real-world fit test but I agree it would be great if it proved possible.

The pockets' very size is encouraging.

Cheers,

Rick

Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
BPL Absaroka Pack on 01/22/2010 13:46:50 MST Print View

""on the trail will not be affected by the fact that you are carrying 1 or 2 extra pounds on your back! Did I say that?! :)"

NICE! It had to be said Ryan."

That's it, I am selling my tarp.