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Troy Ammons
(tammons) - F - M
Cuben Tarp on 01/17/2010 10:01:38 MST Print View

I am planning to build a large cuben tarp from .65 oz material. I have seen the thread on using hysol ?? I think it is to do the corner reinforcements and then seam the edges with a sewing machine.

No problem there, but my question is about the ridgeline seam. I am thinking just to glue it as I dont really want to run a seam down the center, or would it be better to glue it, seam it and seal it for additional strength.

Thanks

Tim Marshall
(MarshLaw303) - MLife

Locale: Minnesota
Re: Cuben Tarp on 01/17/2010 14:34:28 MST Print View

i am confused at the use of the term seam.

"I am thinking just to glue it as I dont really want to run a seam down the center, or would it be better to glue it, seam it and seal it for additional strength"

Any place where 2 pieces of material meet is a seam, sewn or glued.

Is your question about if you should just glue, or sew and glue?

What model cuben are you thinking is .65? I have used the .74oz(CT2K.08) stuff by sewing and taping ridge seams and i have full confidence that it will hold up fine.

-Tim

Troy Ammons
(tammons) - F - M
Cuben Tarp on 01/17/2010 14:44:09 MST Print View

.65

I am going to seam it down the middle and cant decide if I should just glue the seam with an overlap, or glue it then fold and sew a seam and seal.

Seams (pun) like a sewn seam would add strength.

Edited by tammons on 01/17/2010 14:45:23 MST.

Tim Marshall
(MarshLaw303) - MLife

Locale: Minnesota
Re: Cuben Tarp on 01/17/2010 15:59:12 MST Print View

is there a new model? I don't remember any that weight .65.

.51 then .74 i thought.

-Tim

Troy Ammons
(tammons) - F - M
Cuben Tarp on 01/17/2010 16:15:29 MST Print View

Hmm, dont know where I got .65 from.

What do you suggest ??

Tim Marshall
(MarshLaw303) - MLife

Locale: Minnesota
Re: Cuben Tarp on 01/17/2010 21:45:58 MST Print View

i haven't held the .51 yet but have some .48 on order which i suspect to be very similar. I really like the .74 and would suggest it unless you are going for purely bragging rights of the lightest option out there (which there is nothing wrong with)

-Tim

Derek Goffin
(Derekoak)

Locale: North of England
Cuben tarp on 01/18/2010 03:10:01 MST Print View

Hi Troy,
I am not an expert but I am in the process of making my first cuben tarp. I have some sewing experience ,I made a suit of sails for a DIY dinghy in my youth, but I am not as comfortable with a sewing machine as Tim clearly is. I am quite good at glueing things. My first conclusion is that either method will work.
Hysol is good glue and its peel abilities may not need to be improved by sewing. If you are having a straight ridge seam it would be reasonably easy to lay the pieces out flat and glue them together. The stronger the cuben you use the more likely that sewing may improve the peel strength of the hysol. If you use a cheaper glue like Aquaseal you probably need to sew to improve the peel strength.
If you are cutting a catenary ridge, glueing something non flat I can see being a problem. My choice, I am using the 0.74 cuben and using a catenary seam is going to be put the outer faces together sew with maximum stitch length with 1 minimum seam allowance and one generous glue width allowance 3/4"?. Open the materials up, flap down the glue seam hiding and creasing the minimum allowance in the process and glue down and press the seam. (Hysol does not stick to polythene, so separate things that should not stick together with a plastic bag) When it is set I may run another line of stitching down the other side of the glued seam. Done this way I think the sewing is done while things are flat and then the sewing helps position things to get the glue to set to the right curve.
Sewing is quicker, cheaper and less messy than glueing. I believe that ultimate strength is obtained by including glue but ultimate strength is not obtained by doing it wrong and getting an uneven seam, where the tight bit takes all the strain! I think the .74 cuben is so strong that ultimate strength may not be the most important crieria