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Say Raow
(lordrasov) - M
PCT gear list on 01/02/2010 14:31:49 MST Print View

Worn/Carried

Shirt: Thorofare
Pants: Thorofare
Shorts: BPL beartooth shorts
Hat: OR Sunrunner
Socks: Darn tough ¼ merino
Shoes: Montrail Hardrocks
Poles: GG LT4
gaiters: dirty girl


Clothing Carried

Beanie: BPL merino
Socks: Darn tough ¼ merino
Headnet: MLD headnet
Gloves: defeet duraglove+ eVENT mitts
Baselayer top: BPL beartooth hoody
Baselayer bottom: BPL merino longjohns
Jacket: Montbell UL Parka
Sleep socks: ?
Sungloves: ?
raingear: driducks
windshirt: golite wisp

Sleep

Sleeping bag: GoLite Ultra 20 regular
Pad: GG nightlight torso + thinlight 1/8
Groundsheet: polycro sheet

Cooking

*System: Trail Designs ti-tri
*Pot: snowpeak 900 ti
Spoon: optimus folding spork

Shelter

*MLD Duomid sil
*MLD duo innernet

Pack

GG Mariposa Plus w/ hip pockets
GG pack raincover
BPL packliner
Stuff sacks: ?

Hydration

Evernew 2L x2
Platypus hoser 2L
BPL droppers for aquamira

Hygiene

BPL balm jars for sportslick
BPL dropper for bronners
MSR packtowel
toothbrush: ?
sewing kit: ?

Photos

*Pentax optio W80 + accessories


Sierras

Ice axe: ULA potty trowel/ CAMP corsa ?
Bear canister: ?
Ice traction: kahtoola microspikes

Other

Knife: victorinox classic
Watch: highgear axio mini
Compass: ?
Whistle: ACR
*Ipod: mini
Pen+paper: ?
Sunglasses: ?
BPL benzoin tinctures
Cell phone:?

Keep in mind that I will be hiking with a partner. * signifies items that will be shared: don’t know how we will divide it yet.
I havn’t listed the weights, as I have some of this, but not all of it. Questions marks signify items I havn’t made a decision on yet, or have no idea what to choose. Some items, such as the duomid and beartooth hoody, I have decided to go with not just for use on PCT but for next winter in Manitoba.

Some other items, like the camera, I havn’t looked into much. I have also never really used a camera, so I have no idea if I need extra batteries or extra memory storage.

Open to all comments and criticism. Thanks for any input!

EDIT: forgot to put the raingear in there! maybe some other things too..

Edited by lordrasov on 01/02/2010 15:21:10 MST.

Nia Schmald
(nschmald) - MLife
Re: PCT gear list on 01/02/2010 17:30:34 MST Print View

No personal experience with thorofare tops and bottoms, but some here have commented that they can run quite hot. You'll be in temps in the mid 80s to mid 90s for most of the spring and summer. The solution that worked best for me in warm temps was a light colored cotton dress shirt and nylon zip-offs. For colder temps you have the hoody and windshirt already.

Are the BPL beartooth shorts just for underwear or do you plan on wearing them as sole bottom layer. If the latter, I seriously doubt that the shorts will hold up for long.

You don't need a compass, the trail is well marked and obvious, but a little button compass weighs nothing and you never know what may come up. You also probably don't need an ice axe. Few carried them, and those that did including myself, didn't use them.

Traction for feet is a good thing, but you probably won't need it until kennedy meadows. Ship it their. It might be useful on fuller ridge. But if you leave after kick-off, probably not.

Bear vault has a the best deal and a program for thru hikers. The bearikade is the best approved canister if you have the extra cash and will be hiking in restricted areas for years to come.

6L of water is a lot to carry. I never carried more than 4L and I'm not a particularly fast hiker. I would drink as much as possible at water sources.

Have you used the gg nightlight before on a long hike? If so more power to you. If not think about some extra padding. Maybe the 3/8" instead of 1/8". Many folks upgraded their pads during the hike. I loved my neoair, but wouldn't recommend it, or really an inflatable, in the desert. Too many prickers. After KM it was fine.

Have fun out there!

William Murphy
(33972) - MLife
Everyone's different, but you asked for opinions... on 01/03/2010 10:37:37 MST Print View

Hi,

Your gear list is very similar to what I took on the PCT in '09. My comments are as follows;

1) throfare shirt was great. After the 5th creek washing, you can "scratch off" the logo and make it a plain shirt. I was still swatting the "bug" in the sleeve at the end of the hike. If you don't roll up the sleeves, and use that cloth & snap, then learn from my mistake and cut that snap off (for sanity's sake).
2) throfare pant was not strong enough for me to wear for 1 month, traded up for Rail Riders eco mesh pant. Wore that the whole rest of the way. Still needed to sew things from time to time, but much stronger.
3) Darn Tough socks don't work for me, thorlo all the way.
4) I wore Montrail Continental Divides. Shoes are very personal though. I am always amazed at people who ask others for shoe recommendations; might as well ask me what the best flav of ice cream is...
5) I threw the dry ducks jacket in the hiker box when in Mammoth. Got a Marmot Precip. The (dry ducks) zipper had stopped working. Saw my dry ducks jacket again in WA, someone had sewn it into a pull over and didn't mind no zipper. Going again, I'd get a silnylon jacket for rain or put $1 ponchos in every mail drop and hiker-box the spares.
6) I think everyone should have their own shelter. I don't know your situation with your hiking partner, but pre-consider how you would handle things if one always hiked faster/slower, if one was injured, if one was lost and without the shelter for a night... Lots of people rely on a single shared shelter, but still...
7) Toothbrush; get a "toothbrush cover" sold in the camping stuff at walmart or anywhere. Nice way to keep it unscuzzy.
8) chapstick! Don't underestimate how the desert and sierras can dry you out. Also, maybe sun screen at the start & again for the sierras. Also, maybe a chrome dome? I liked mine, would use it again from border to northern sierras and again around hat creek rim and finally mid or to the ca border. Also maybe hydropel or something to rub on your feet at night.
9) I don't see "data" or "maps". I had Yogi, Shaffer, Harrison maps in Sierras, Erik The Black and elevation profiles from Mr. Parkay. Sure; I had too much. On a budget, take Yogi & add the Harrison Maps if you're early into the sierras. If you have time & a printer, half miles maps looked excellent the few times I could look over a shoulder @ one. If money doesn't matter much, read Yogi at home, add notes about towns to ETB's from Yogi, take Erik's + Harrison and ignore the elevation profiles in ETB's. They suck.
10) Ditto what Nia said about BV. After you use it, you can donate it to the bear cannister loan program.
11) Also I'll repeat Nia about pads, I ended up getting a winter-ridge-rest pad (full length, but narrow) part way through the hike and never regretting having it.
12) Consider route alternates; Iva Bell hotsprings (or Fish creek hot springs depending on who you talk to) was excellent! Eagle creek trail beats the pct hands down, but is crowded. Missing the rim of crater lake would be dumb. Go bag some peaks, Thielson, Shasta, Sisters, Lassen, and tons of others.
13) If the ants find your campsite in the middle of the night, give up & move instead of engaging in battle. I "won" by staying up for about 3 hours cursing.

So many excellent surprises out there, have fun & good luck!

--Pi

Say Raow
(lordrasov) - M
re:re: pct gear list on 01/03/2010 13:47:15 MST Print View

--Nia

-I’ve heard the discussion on thorofares running hot. During the summers I work outside in jeans. After doing this for a few summers, I cannot even wear shorts, just a personal thing I guess. If they do end up being that terribly hot and humid, I’ll probably just switch to something else.

-I bought the beartooth shorts for underwear. Got most of my BPL stuff at the end of year sale. I figured I might as well try them, since I had wanted a pair of wool undies.

-I’m still undecided with the compass and ice axe. I’ve never had to use either of them, so I guess even if I have them I’d have to learn proper use first. I plan on getting into the Sierras before the herd, but this could all change.

-I have used a nightlight torso, but not more than 100 miles. I actually sleep on a ridgerest at home most of the time, so I’m hoping it will work out. Never tried an inflatable pad before though.

--Pi

-I’ve only used the pants so far, and though they seem pretty durable, I havn’t used them for more than a week at a time. I am considering changing to something else.

-My personal experience with thorlos havn’t been good. For some reason the two pairs I’ve had didn’t last very long. I havn’t tried darn tough socks yet though.

-I’m still undecided on the shoes. I have had pair a hardrocks and they’re great. But the new line of montrail shoes sound wonderful. I might be hoping too much though.

-I was considering a marmot precip myself. I think that if the dri-ducks don’t work out, I’ll switch to the precip like you had done.

-Partner and I are close, don’t mind being squished together long term. I understand the differences in hiking abilities etc. But we generally do all our hiking together, and we’re going into this thru-hike with a ‘team’ mentality. If all goes wrong, one of us could just pick up a tarp and bivy.

-Thanks for the tip on the brush, will do that.

-I agree with the chapstick; forgot to put it in there. I never leave my house without chapstick, summer or winter; it’s a life saver.

-I have the wilderness press books and yogis.

-will consider all alternate routes, and will make sure to keep ants in mind!

Thanks for the input guys!

Brian Lewis
(brianle) - F

Locale: Pacific NW
Great list! on 01/03/2010 13:49:13 MST Print View

Looks like a great, well thought out list to me.
Ice axe: I carried a ULA Helix, the shortest version. In some testing I found that I can self-arrest with it. I think if doing it again, however, I'd go for the Camp Corsa, as it's still light but it's actually CE B-rated.

I used a bearvault brand and liked it. The Bearikade is indeed more expensive and better; a hiking companion had rented one for the trip. Even that's not cheap, but an option if you'll never use a bear can again.

Microspikes aren't a bad idea depending on the year you go. I mailed my ULA mini-crampons home from Independence, never used 'em. I have no experience with microspikes; if you're okay walking through no-snow zones when transitioning back and forth they might be okay. It just seemed like it would be too much of a PITA to bother putting on traction when I knew that 20 minutes later I'd be taking them off again ...

I guess I agree that a pretty minimal compass is adequate. In the Sierras in particular you might have a better one sent along with ice axe, etc and send it home afterwards --- the point is to be able to orient to figure out which of the various gaps you're looking at is the actual pass if you don't trust the various footsteps you find in the snow.
I liked having glacier glasses in the Sierras in particular, and really, in much of California. Not the darkest type, I forget the rating, but decent glasses with side shields (even if wrought of duct tape ...).

Rain gear: for the first 700 miles I just carried a poncho tarp and a really light (not waterproof) bivy as both rain gear (the poncho) and shelter. If doing it again I'd go the same route but ditch the bivy, then pick up an actual tent in Kennedy Meadows.

I used the same pack you're using. I started out trying to put the bear can on top, but ultimately hated that and just made room inside by dint of putting even more stuff in the external mesh.

Best wishes for a great trip!

Say Raow
(lordrasov) - M
re: Great list! on 01/05/2010 04:19:05 MST Print View

Hi Brian,

Thanks, I’ve been lurking on the forums here for a few months, and have been changing my gear list around a lot. So far it’s worked out really well.

-I was thinking the same thing with the ice axe. Either way, I don’t know how to self-arrest, so I’m going to have to learn pretty soon.

-I havn’t looked much into the bear canister situation yet. I just know that I will be renting, since I have absolutely no use for one where I live. Is it worth using an ursack outside of the cannister required areas? Do most people hang bags?

-I have no experience with crampons or microspikes. Just have been reading other gear lists, and trailjournals; seems everyone takes something. I live in the prairies and have no experience with any altitude/ice hiking. I’m actually pretty nervous about it. I am trying to learn as much as I can though.

-I was looking into glacier sunglasses. Then I decided that I probably won’t like wearing contacts the whole time. This seems to be the hardest decision so far. There are SO many options, and it seems to be a pretty personal choice as well. I havn’t had much luck looking for prescription sunglasses that aren’t insanely expensive.

-I have been considering using my poncho tarp up to Kennedy Meadows as well. I have an Integral Designs poncho. I think I could save a few ounces that way, I hadn’t considered not bringing my bivy. Seems pretty logical though, since from what I’ve read, it will not likely rain.

-I had bought the Mariposa Plus so that I could carry lots of water comfortably, plus put the bear canister on top. It seems that it would have to be fully loaded to keep a canister right on top, but I’ll try it anyways. Trial and error. Did you ever have any problems with the outer mesh ripping?

I know the list was pretty sloppy, I'm going to put it on a spreadsheet pretty soon.
Thanks for the input.

Ryan Linn
(ryan.c.linn)

Locale: Maine!
Re: re: Great list! on 01/05/2010 05:38:22 MST Print View

Hey Dan. I'm pretty much in the same boat as you with a lot of things. Hopefully I'll be at the kickoff party, but after that I'm not sure if I'll be ahead or behind the big group.

"-I was thinking the same thing with the ice axe. Either way, I don’t know how to self-arrest, so I’m going to have to learn pretty soon."

Same here. I really don't want to buy an ice axe if I can avoid it, but that's probably not the smartest way of looking at things. I wonder if I can find a Corsa somewhere for cheap.

"-I havn’t looked much into the bear canister situation yet. I just know that I will be renting, since I have absolutely no use for one where I live. Is it worth using an ursack outside of the cannister required areas? Do most people hang bags?"

There's a discussion about this going on at Whiteblaze, but as usual with those forums it seems to be devolving into some kind of insanity. The general consensus seems to be no hanging, which just doesn't seem right to me. I hope someone from the slightly saner BPL crowd has some insight on this.

Brian Lewis
(brianle) - F

Locale: Pacific NW
re: Great list! on 01/05/2010 10:37:46 MST Print View

If renting a can, at least look into the Bearikade. It's the most expensive but light and fairly large capacity which is helpful for dealing with thru-hiker hunger in the Sierras. If not, I liked the (current version, don't buy an older model used) of the BearVault; the clear plastic IMO makes it a bit easier to pack efficiently, and the wider opening ditto.

Hanging elsewhere, ursack: of course different opinions on this. After doing the whole PCT, I think many people's opinions change a bit on this stuff. I had been a bit more aggressively "always hang or use an Ursack" but when so many people that you know do all those miles sleeping with their food and have no incidents, it changes your mind (or at least it did mine). I still generally use an Ursack outside of places where a can is required, partly to keep rodents out of my food, partly to at least slow down the bears if not hopefully deter them; ditto an odor proof bag to hopefully avoid the problem to begin with. For me, the right solution was to sleep with food for the first 700 miles --- really relatively little to get at your food there. Bear can in the Sierras. Ursack plus odorproof sack after that. That's just *my* approach, I don't present it as some sort of universal truth (!).

Crampons, microspikes --- depending on your snow year, consider (a) Kahtoola Microspikes, (b) Camp 6-point crampons, (c) nothing. Look on postholer.com and perhaps watch the PCT discussion list, http://mailman.backcountry.net/mailman/listinfo/pct-l to see if you can glean some ideas of how much snow it's looking like there will be. If not a high snow year, then IMO it's a very credible plan to go without any sort of crampon. Some in fact would opine that with low experience a person is safer without them; no personal opinion on that, other than I don't think it takes a ton of time to gain the requisite experience ...

Sunglasses: whatever you do, make sure you have some, particularly in the Sierras. If you see your eye doctor before going, ask for a pair of those little folding paper/cardboard ones that they give you when the dialate your eyes --- very light, use those as a backup pair. Being snowblind is not likely a lot of fun.

Not bringing the bivy: YMMV, of course, my experience is just from the particular year that I did it. Also depends on where you camp; I did get heavy dew on my bag one morning camped near a creek. I used the bivy once in the first 700 miles when bugs were bad enough that I wanted the bug netting, but apart from one or two nights there were no bug issues for me until the Sierras, a head net would have been enough.

Bear can on top of mariposa plus: in my initial testing it seemed to work fine, so in your testing absolutely load the thing to the max (weight). That "Y" strap isn't going to hold a smooth plastic (or metal) can when it's at max weight, regardless of how full your pack is. But again, I got the can inside by dint of holding more things in the mesh.

Any problems with mesh ripping? Eventually some mesh ripping occurs, but never enough to be a problem, and you can always field repair/reinforce with needle and dental floss as thread.

Nia Schmald
(nschmald) - MLife
Re: re: Great list! on 01/05/2010 14:23:57 MST Print View

I slept with my food outside the restricted areas. I did hang the extra food that didn't fit in the bear canister leaving kennedy meadows. But after that I didn't bother. My experience with black bears outside Yosemite is that they run away when they see me. In yosemite they have just ignored me. I'm still alive with all my limbs. YMMV.

I used the camp 6 point crampons. They're about 7 oz. And the long spikes gave me a lot more confidence going across the forester ice chute. For me this is the only place where I felt like one false step and I would die (an exaggerated fear I believe). So having any extra confidence was a good thing. I also used them in the snow on the down hills and felt they gave me some extra traction.

We had a good snow in early june so there were long stretches to use the crampons. The aluminum camp crampons do not handle even short stretches on rocks so if you can't stay on the snow it's too much hassle to take them on and off.

Say Raow
(lordrasov) - M
re:re:re: PCT gear list on 01/09/2010 14:16:57 MST Print View

--Ryan

-I’m not sure if I’ll make it to the kickoff party, I have to wait until my exams are finished. I too am not sure whether to stay behind or ahead of the group. I sure don’t feel like hiking with that many people. Not that I’m a recluse or anything; it’s just not the experience I am looking for.

-I just bought a Camp Corsa, and am going to practice self arresting this winter. I don’t think I can find any in person mountain training here in the prairies, but I’ll be reading as much as I can online. The Camp Corsa wasn’t that cheap, but backcountry had a coupon for 15% off, so I bought a few things. I think the coupon is valid until February.

-Thanks for the whiteblaze link. I think I will probably just go with an ursack after the sierras, as it seems a lot easier, for me anyways: I’ve never had to hang a bag.

--Brian

-I think I’m going to pretty much mimic your approach to the bear problem. I’m not sure I feel comfortable leaving my food with no protection after the sierras.

-As for the crampons, I’m going to take your advice and just play the waiting game. From what I’ve read, the snowpack can change considerably fast.

Andrew Wilson
(andreww) - MLife

Locale: Vosges
Clothes + Umbrella + sending things ahead on 01/13/2010 03:09:54 MST Print View

I think your clothes are well chosen for higher elevations like the Sierra (though a 200wt fleece equivalent may help here), or parts of the Desert Divide, and N. Washington. Its perhaps too much (!) elsewhere.

Think dynamically about your wardrobe, and send things ahead you won't need.

Pants: Personally I would roast without shorts; when I hiked the PCT through Oregon and Washington, even in June, I wore pants only when it was blowing rain or I was not moving (or the mosquitos were buzzing--but then the heat was almost intolerable). I know many people hike in pants all the time, but nothing is as light or freely moving as running shorts. You won't need thermal pants most of the time, probably only in the first few and last few weeks. Figure out your running temperature and then send them ahead---perhaps way ahead to where you'll need them. I don't think you'll need rain pants, even dri-ducks. If you do bring them, save them for September in Washington, not before.

Overmitts are not really necessary for the (absense) rain on the PCT, only for the bugs and sun (OK, maybe your last two weeks in WA); hence eVent mitts not necessary. Just sew some tubes for your hands; they'll work for the sun, too. .1 ounce.

Shirt: I wore a long sleeve shirt for sun-protection, especially when in open country, and there's lots of that on the PCT. I also highly recommend an umbrella. Many people do the PCT without one, of course, but this is one trail where, despite the lack of rain, you can keep nice and cool under its shade in the intense sun. This lets you go shirtless, too, which is oh so comfy. I admit I'm kind of an umbrella evangelist. At least consider carrying one for a while to see if it suits your style. It'd be most useful down south, through the High Sierras, to protect from the intense sun, and then again in WA to protect from the sometimes unceasing drizzle. There are ways of carrying one while using poles. Search the forums.

Poles: A matter of personal preference, of course. But for the PCT, which is never steep, I'd at least recommend sending them ahead for a section or two and see if you really miss them. I'm continually surprised by how many hikers have their poles stowed. And there are always sticks to use for a while.

Gaiters: I know people like them, but I'm not sure how much effort and annoyance they'll really save on the PCT. I'd start caryying them and see how well you do without them.

Cooking: consider a bigger pot, and sharing with your partner (1.5/2L for the two of you). You won't believe how hungry you'll become. If you already have more pots, consider sending a bigger one to pick up in Big Bear, when your appetite really kicks in.

Shelter: Anything will work fine; I used a blue woven poly tarp, 8x10. Not light, but only 4.99. Slept in headnets and bug proof clothing for a few nights.

Pack: Forget the pack cover, carry a garbage sack to line your pack in the slim chance of rain. Replace the sack frequently, as even unused they can develop holes where they're folded up.

Water: You'll need a few liters down south; elsewhere there are only a few places where you need to carry more than 1L of water, which at thru-hiking pace can last ten-15 miles easy. Water sources more than that far apart are few and well noted in the guides. Send the extra bottles ahead to those sections. If I were doing it again I think I'd use a UV purifier and drink a lot at each source. Then you don't have to carry so much while waiting for the treatment to take effect. I didn't filter most of my water, and in high wilderness areas, with no grazing or much horse trafic above, chosing sources carefully, you can get away with it. Just wash your hands after doing your business.

Camera: Consider one that takes AAs. That way you can dispense with the recharging hassle/worries.

Well, that's way too much procrastination. Back to work.

Andrew

Edited by andreww on 01/13/2010 03:14:06 MST.

Ryan Linn
(ryan.c.linn)

Locale: Maine!
Re: Clothes + Umbrella + sending things ahead on 01/13/2010 15:31:01 MST Print View

Speaking of sending things ahead, I'm planning on using a bounce box, which is something I haven't done on any of my other big hikes. Actually, I'm going to have three bounce boxes... all USPS flat-rate boxes, one medium (clothes, gear, etc.) two small (one for guidebooks, one for electronics chargers and things I might need to restock on more often). The medium box ships for about $10, and the smalls for $5. I figure I'll try this system out for at least a few weeks and see if I like it.

By the time I finished the AT in 2007, I was pretty sick of mailing myself packages, but that was for food. I already know of the difficulties involved with catching the post office while it's open, but I figure the bounce boxes really could be a good way of having what I need available sometimes. Anybody else do anything like this?

Travis Naibert
(outwest) - F
too many top layers on 01/13/2010 21:42:11 MST Print View

If you have a down jacket and a rain jacket you will not need any other upper body layers. A windshirt is nice for hiking in the morning but as long as you aren't sitting around camp for hours every day I would ditch the baselayer top. Last summer I carried a Marmot Precip and a patagonia synthetic pullover and I wore them together ~3 times in all of California.

Andrew Wilson
(andreww) - MLife

Locale: Vosges
Ditch one top. on 01/13/2010 23:00:52 MST Print View

A second on ditching a top layer. Again, even in OR/WA in June I never wore anything more than a poly dress shirt + poly long underwear top + windbreaker. And even then I only wore the long underwear top once when not at rest. Again, I carried an umbrella, and had no other rain gear. Ditch the parka after the Sierras, pick it up again in N. WA (depending on when you arrive).

Crampons + Axe : unless you're really experienced, crampons, especially any with front points, can get you in deep trouble and onto exposed slope where any slip will cause your death. If a steep slope is too hard to kick steps you have no business being on it in Kathoola microspikes. On the other hand, flat or near flat snow with good runnout will be OK, and the spikes may help you move a little more quickly in the early morning.

Edited by andreww on 01/14/2010 02:59:52 MST.

Say Raow
(lordrasov) - M
re: too many top layers on 01/15/2010 08:02:33 MST Print View

--Andrew

-I am going to be buying a pair of running shorts. Do you have any recommendations? I’ve been looking at the Ibex runner shorts, but I’m not sure how long a high percentage wool short will last. My skin won't handle tight synthetics.

-I am also considering an umbrella. What do you do with it if you use trekking poles? I like having the poles because I have runners knee, and they help a lot. I also use them for my shelter.

--Ryan

I have been planning on using a bounce box as well. From what I’ve read, some people use harder boxes, like buckets, because of the abuse the boxes take. I’m really not too keen on spending the money at every other town to send a bounce box, but I would like the extra flexibility with gear resupply.

--Travis

-My plan was to use the dri-ducks only when I really needed them. I’ve read they don’t like shoulder strap abrasion too much. I’m either going to get a new rain shirt and ditch the wind shirt, or just stay with this.

-I keep reading all these warnings about it getting cold at night, and some are not prepared. How often does it really get under 25F? I could do without the baselayer if it went that cold ONLY in the middle of the night, but I wouldn’t want put too much wear on the down jacket by wearing it while on the move. I can never tell if people are exaggerating the cold weather, or if they’re just not used to it. If it was that cold here right now, I could walk outside in shorts and a tee. In the middle of summer, I’d probably be freezing.

Ryan Linn
(ryan.c.linn)

Locale: Maine!
Re: re: too many top layers on 01/15/2010 17:07:44 MST Print View

"I have been planning on using a bounce box as well. From what I’ve read, some people use harder boxes, like buckets, because of the abuse the boxes take. I’m really not too keen on spending the money at every other town to send a bounce box, but I would like the extra flexibility with gear resupply."

That's one of the reasons why I'm thinking it won't be a perfect solution, but I also figure that as long as all the post offices allow me to "bounce" the boxes for free (when unopened), I won't have to spend too much money on the boxes. I don't plan on opening the boxes too often, but we'll see how that goes once I'm out there.

As for those 5-gallon buckets that I've heard of people using for bounce boxes... I wonder how the price of sending those compares over the long run with boxes.

Travis Naibert
(outwest) - F
baselayers and temperatures on PCT on 01/15/2010 20:24:38 MST Print View

Hi Dan, I can only speak for last year and I didn't start until mid-May, but it was never less than 25F in California or Oregon on my PCT hike except in the middle of the night, and that was only a few times. It will be cold in the morning in the desert, but will be above 40F by 8 am and way too hot by ten on most days. I found that an hour of hiking before breakfast makes the perfect warm up, and that gloves (or extra socks) are essential.

Sounds like you are almost ready, good luck and have fun.

Say Raow
(lordrasov) - M
re: baselayers and temperatures on the PCT on 01/15/2010 21:17:48 MST Print View

--Ryan

-I had heard about it being free if the box isn’t open. I’m not familiar with USPS rules and regulations, or even Canada Post for that matter. If this is the case than I probably shouldn’t be too worried about money.

-I too was wondering what it would cost to bounce a package that big. I also need to find out if the packages are insurable. If I were to put all my extra gear in a box that big, and it got lost, that would be pretty devastating. Annoying anyways.

--Travis

-I’m still unsure about how warm my gloves should be. What did you bring?

-Also, you said you had left in the middle of May. What were the water caches like after the big herd had their way with them? If I were to leave around that time, would it be wise to have extra water bottles? I am already planning on carrying a 7L capacity for southern California.

Travis Naibert
(outwest) - F
Gloves on 01/15/2010 22:10:39 MST Print View

Dan- I carried polyester liner gloves. They are EMS and are just very thin, not windstop or anything.

I found every water cache before Aqua Dulce to have water, most of the time the caches were very full. After the herd went through it seemed that trail angels refilled the caches last summer. The water report is generally up to date.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
liner gloves on 01/15/2010 23:31:12 MST Print View

If you have thin liner gloves, and if you want them to stay warm during rain, then simply cover them with disposable latex first aid gloves. That makes them waterproof with virtually no weight gain.

And, of course, they get multiple use as first aid gloves or (dare I say) cut off one finger of the glove to use as a condom.
--B.G.--