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stephen wark
(coldworlder) - F

Locale: Green Mountains
How to carry a knife in a pack on 12/21/2009 12:52:04 MST Print View

I was following a thread on fixed blade knives, but was wondering how one would carry it - how are folks attaching or storing the blade?

Philip Carr
(unsponsored) - F

Locale: UK
Kydex on 12/21/2009 12:54:30 MST Print View

Kydex sheath. The knife will also snap into place and not drop out. I have a custom kydex sheath and Mora knife.

Phil Brown
(pbrown19)

Locale: Traverse City MI
... on 12/21/2009 13:24:09 MST Print View

Place the sheath upside down on your shoulder strap and fasten it with 100 MPH tape.

Edited by pbrown19 on 12/21/2009 13:25:17 MST.

Brad Groves
(4quietwoods) - MLife

Locale: Michigan
Re: How to carry a knife in a pack on 12/22/2009 10:22:21 MST Print View

in the sheath, in a water bottle pocket

David Olsen
(oware)

Locale: Steptoe Butte
concealed weapon on 12/22/2009 12:01:54 MST Print View

For those in CA who may not realize.

If you have it inside your pack or clothing in California,
without a valid CCW permit or be hunting or fishing with a license with you, in many areas it is a felony.

Steven McAllister
(brooklynkayak) - MLife

Locale: Atlantic North East
Concealed on 12/22/2009 14:41:49 MST Print View

I keep my Mora, in the plastic Mora sheath, attached to my hip belt.
It could be considered a concealed weapon in a lot of cases if I put it inside? I think it depends on the blade length in most states. I don't know what the laws are so I just keep it outside.

Brian UL
(MAYNARD76)

Locale: New England
Re: Concealed on 12/22/2009 14:51:58 MST Print View

if you are unsure keep it your pack.
You can refuse a search of your pack.
"Sorry officer, I don't consent to searches"
But I think you must have it on your person to be considered concealed, but every state is different.

Stephen Barber
(grampa) - MLife

Locale: SoCal
CA Concealed on 12/22/2009 15:36:32 MST Print View

In California, carrying a fixed blade knife in your pack would not be "concealed". Carrying a fixed blade knife in a pocket or tucked inside your pants (!) is legally concealed.

Carrying a fixed blade inside a pocket on your hipbelt or shoulder strap is questionable.

But this is likely unimportant, in that you are very unlikely to be stopped by a police officer looking for gangbangers and druggies while you're on the trail.

David Olsen
(oware)

Locale: Steptoe Butte
CA concealed on 12/22/2009 21:23:52 MST Print View

I only say this cause a buddy got in deep doo for his
river rescue knife in his van when returning from a rafting
trip. Don't know what he did to get stopped.

There are no length limitations in CA for fixed blades.

Konrad .
(Konrad1013) - MLife
Re: CA Concealed on 12/22/2009 21:39:02 MST Print View

Wait....carrying a fixed blade in a pocket or tucked in your pants is LEGALLY concealed????? Do you mean ILLEGALLY concealed? or did you simply mean that such a method of carrying would make it fit the legal definition of "concealed." Based on my reading of the CA penal code, and personal experience carrying fixed blades when i lived in CA, you have to have the sheathed knife visible in order for it not to be considered concealed.

From the CA penal code...
(24)(d) Knives carried in sheaths which are worn openly suspended from
the waist of the wearer are not concealed within the meaning of this
section.


Also, in reference to the other post....what happened to your buddy with the river knife? Subject to a full car search? I'm curious, as I just finished a semester in Criminal Procedure, so it caught my attention

Edited by Konrad1013 on 12/22/2009 21:41:00 MST.

Stephen Barber
(grampa) - MLife

Locale: SoCal
CA Concealed on 12/23/2009 07:54:42 MST Print View

"did you simply mean that such a method of carrying would make it fit the legal definition of "concealed." "

Right - sorry for any confusion. A fixed blade knife in California, as you said, needs to be carried visibly, and preferably at the waist.

If it's not visible, it is legally considered "concealed" and thus a no-no!

No length limit for fixed blade carry in CA as a state, but local laws (county and city) may have length limitations.

Mike M
(mtwarden) - MLife

Locale: Montana
neck carry on 12/23/2009 08:22:15 MST Print View

I've found I prefer a neck carry- you can see a small plastic triangle in the cord- this allows it to break off in the event of a bad spill and the cord getting hung up (the small spectra is rated at ~ 200#)

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I also like the fact that the knife is w/ me at all times- see that "what would happen if you got separated from your pack thread" :)

A waist carry would be an option if your using a very light pack sans waist belt

Edited by mtwarden on 12/23/2009 08:32:15 MST.

David Olsen
(oware)

Locale: Steptoe Butte
Re: Re: CA Concealed on 12/23/2009 11:21:00 MST Print View

My friend had his van searched and spent a night in jail.
I don't know if he ended up having a conviction, it sounded
most like they were looking for drugs and wanted another
reason to keep him and search his van. He was on highway 1
norcal.

My take home message is don't leave a fixed blade concealed
in car or on person. Don't put it in the glove box.

Edited by oware on 12/23/2009 11:33:35 MST.

David Olsen
(oware)

Locale: Steptoe Butte
Re: CA Concealed on 12/23/2009 11:22:54 MST Print View

length limitation

It doesn't matter how short the knife either. One
shorter than the length of a folded folding knife is legally
a concealable weapon (ie illegal to conceal) as is a bowie
knife.

Edited by oware on 12/23/2009 11:34:42 MST.

David Olsen
(oware)

Locale: Steptoe Butte
Re: CA Concealed on 12/23/2009 11:39:43 MST Print View

"In California, carrying a fixed blade knife in your pack would not be "concealed". Carrying a fixed blade knife in a pocket or tucked inside your pants (!) is legally concealed."



In CA if this were a handgun, it would have to be LOCKED in a pack,
do they differentiate on different kinds of concealable
weapons? Wouldn't a fixed blade knife also have to be
locked?

Roger Caffin
(rcaffin) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
Re: Re: Re: CA Concealed on 12/23/2009 13:32:57 MST Print View

Hi Dave

Just a thought: what the Police actually did, and what they were legally entitled to do, may be slightly different things.

Cheers

Konrad .
(Konrad1013) - MLife
Re: Re: Re: Re: CA Concealed on 12/23/2009 14:42:36 MST Print View

Based on the facts given, I actually believe the police were entitled to what they did. I'm assuming that the initial stop (being pulled over) was justified with reasonable suspicion that a traffic violation had been committed. If a cop stays on your tail long enough, he'll be able to find some form of a traffic violation, (e.g. failure to signal, or anything minor can justify the initial stop). He probably pulled your buddy over, walked up to the car, and saw the knife, which would then give him reasonable suspicion that your buddy is armed and dangerous. As a result of this reasonable suspicion, the law would allow him to legally frisk your friend and search the passenger compartment (including containers, where a weapon could fit) for weapons that are within reach of the occupants of the car. They cannot search your trunk b/c that is not within reach of an occupant of the car (unless your drive a pickup truck or a hatchback). The problem is, the law doesn't care about police officer pretext, and even if the cop really didn't think he was facing a gang banger, or anyone that really was 'armed and dangerous' (like us, who are plainly dressed in hiker clothes, dirty from a recent camp trip) he still had enough evidence to give him the necessary reasonable suspicion needed to search the entire car (short of the trunk), without consent. The other thing is, even if the cop didn't have a legal stop, or conducted what otherwise was an illegal search...consent cures all. So if they asked your friend if they could search his car, and he said yes, then it doesn't matter if it was a legal stop or search to begin with.

If you're pulled over, and he sees a knife, its still up to the cop to decide whether or not he wants to subject you to a pat down and a car search. Most cops will just let you go, or at most give you a quick frisk. My friends been pulled over with a folder clipped in his pocket. He got patted down, but didn't get his car searched. Cops usually just do the necessary amount to dispel their reasonable suspicion. Seeing that your buddy got taken into the station, i'm assuming they found something else during the search. Perhaps the cop already had the thought in his head that there was something illegal in the car, and most likely used the knife as a proxy to conduct a lawful search for that 'something else' in the car. Again, it sucks because studies show tons of police officer pretext. with a disproportionate amount of minorities being pulled over, ( many most likely were the result of officer pretext.) As your buddy a minority or did he look like a pot smoking hippy? :)

I have mixed feelings about cops doing this. I see the value behind it and the need to protect your own safety, but at the same time I see muchroom for abuse...but by all means its legal. Check out the supreme court case that allowed cops to do this. It also involved a knife
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_v._Long

So my advice, dont leave your fixed blades on your body or in plain view, when you're in your car. Keep it in the trunk of the car. And if they ask you to search your car, and you have something to hide, you tell them no. If they have the legal grounds to search, theyll search without your consent anyways...but if they dont have the legal grounds for a search, then don't give them a legal basis by agreeing to a search

Edited by Konrad1013 on 12/23/2009 15:11:03 MST.

John Donewar
(Newton) - MLife

Locale: Southeastern Louisiana
Re: "How to carry a knife in a pack" ? on 01/03/2010 16:57:45 MST Print View

Why carry a knife in your pack ?!?!?

In an ultralight world a folder (pocket knife) goes in your pocket. Hopefully for the sake of retention secured by a pocket clip.

In the same enviorment a fixed blade should go, first choice, upright on your belt. Second choice, and less desirable, is upright on the pack's shoulder strap opposite your strong hand. Third choice, and least desirable, is upside down on your pack's shoulder strap opposite your strong hand. This third choice is entirely dependent on the security of carry afforded by the fixed blade's sheath and how comfortable you are with the point of a knife facing up towards one of your most precious eyes.

On the trail carry the folders in your pocket and the fixed blades in plain sight.

The only time a knife should go in your pack is for the travel/flight to the trail or the travel/flight home from the trail.

Party On ! 2010

Newton