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Franco Darioli
(Franco) - M

Locale: Melbourne
Macpac news (tents) on 12/09/2009 12:04:50 MST Print View

Macpac, that glorious Kiwi brand, has gone through some major organisational changes of late.
That has resulted in several new products focusing (it seems to me) on new materials. As well as the new eVent jackets and pants , there is an extensive range of Merino clothing (looks like a reduced range of Interwool,that is Merino on the inside and synthetic on the outside) but most important of all (well, only for me...) is the new tent line up.
There is only one new backpacking model, the Macrolite, a freestanding minimalistic 2 person 2 wall tent.
Not that light at 2kg but could be a good option for areas where space is at a premium and a dry set up (fly first) is preferred.
The others have shed some considerable weight by switching to silnylon. That should be good news particularly for UK (as well as Kiwis and Taswegians) users where an integral pitch is preferred (rain in summer is a bit warmer there but still wet) .
So the Microlite (single hoop ,one person) is now below 1.5kg (3 lbs) , the Minaret , a smallish but very well designed (IMHO) tunnell tent , is now just over 2 kg (4.6 lbs competing with the Nallo 2) and the favourite by rough weather aficionados , the venerable Olympus is almost light,for what it is, at 2.8kg (6.1 lbs) .
The Olympus is a 3 pole tunnel tent that by design can shed snow better than many other tunnel tents (again in my view,but has many fans too)
The weight savings has come about with the introduction of silnylon. UV30 PU (seam sealed) for the Hemisphere ( a bombshelter...) UV30 SI for the rest (you seal them) . Note that the lighter version still has a waterhead of 3000mm .
When comparing weights consider the emphasis by Macpac in weather protection, particularly wind and rain.
I have no connections with Macpac, but I am a Kiwi after all...
http://www.macpac.co.nz/
Franco
Macpac Minaret

Edited by Franco on 12/09/2009 12:05:44 MST.

Lynn Tramper
(retropump) - F

Locale: The Antipodes of La Coruna
Re: Macpac news (tents) on 12/09/2009 12:17:57 MST Print View

Oh yeah, we were crawling around in these at a recent expo. I was very impressed. The Minaret is now in the same weight and size category as the Nallo2, and the awesome Olympus has shed some major weight. All-in-all a nice new remake of their classic tents in modern lighter materials.

Franco Darioli
(Franco) - M

Locale: Melbourne
Macpac news (tents) on 12/09/2009 13:28:45 MST Print View

I still have not seen the new Microlite. It was sold out when I looked at them. It appears to have new connecting points between the inner and the fly. Maybe less sag than before.
Franco
BTW Lynn, if I remember correctly you have /had a Nallo 2. How does it compare to the Minaret now that the weight is similar ?

Edited by Franco on 12/09/2009 13:33:10 MST.

Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
Macpac news (tents) on 12/09/2009 13:34:05 MST Print View

Great info. Will these tents be available in the US?

Lynn Tramper
(retropump) - F

Locale: The Antipodes of La Coruna
Re: Macpac news (tents) on 12/09/2009 13:46:22 MST Print View

"BTW Lynn, if I remember correctly you have /had a Nallo 2. How does it compare to the Minaret now that the weight is similar ?"

I have to admit I thought the Minaret had more usable room, and was overall more thoughtfully designed, but than I'm a life-long fan of the Minaret, having used the older (smaller, heavier) model for twelve rough years without fail...both excellent tents. If the new Minaret had been available when we got the Nallo, we would have stuck with the Minaret.

Franco Darioli
(Franco) - M

Locale: Melbourne
Macpac news (tents) on 12/09/2009 14:17:26 MST Print View

Thanks. I like the idea of theretractable floor to extend the vestibule. Carol McDermott(Lightwave) has that in some of his shelters too. (another Kiwi..)

David
Just noticed that Macpac are represented in Europe and Japan but not the US. Nor they ship to the US. Maybe it is because we gave Campbell Junor (from Macpac) a bit of a hard time when he posted here. Some people are so unkind.
From memory one of them was an Australian...
Franco

Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
Macpac news (tents) on 12/09/2009 14:21:21 MST Print View

That's too bad Franco....

Anton S
(maelgwn) - F

Locale: Flinders Ranges, South Australia
Re: macpac on 12/09/2009 14:49:01 MST Print View

I have been very happy with macpac products over the years and know lots of people who own their tents, packs and jackets. Durability and construction is always excellent. Weight - well its a bit high!

New macrolite doesn't look that good but haven't seen one set up yet. Macpac store opening here v soon though :-) Would stick with a minaret for a two man tent at similar weight.

Franco Darioli
(Franco) - M

Locale: Melbourne
Macpac news (tents) on 12/09/2009 15:06:08 MST Print View

Can't beat a tunnel tent for size to weight ratio (apart from using trekking poles) but some prefer or need freestanding. The nice bit is that it does have two tiny vestibules but big enough to offer a somewhat rain protected entry and you could shove your pack/boots under it .
The other point is that some prefer side entry anyway. Again I would expect more of an interest in Europe were fly first set ups are standard.
I wonder why they don't ship to the US.
Franco

Joe Clement
(skinewmexico) - MLife

Locale: Southwest
Macpac news (tents) on 12/09/2009 16:30:53 MST Print View

Does anyone besides me feel like Franco is cheating on his.............Tarptent?

Lynn Tramper
(retropump) - F

Locale: The Antipodes of La Coruna
Re: Macpac news (tents) on 12/09/2009 16:46:59 MST Print View

"Does anyone besides me feel like Franco is cheating on his.............Tarptent?"


Naaaah. A man's allowed to look!

Lynn Tramper
(retropump) - F

Locale: The Antipodes of La Coruna
Re: Macpac news (tents) on 12/09/2009 17:46:43 MST Print View

Oh yeah, lucky us...SALE TIME

"During our Macpac Christmas sale, there is 25-50% off the entire range of Macpac products...and as an MWC member, for every $200 spent during the sale we’ll give you a $20 gift card"

Doug I.
(idester) - MLife

Locale: MidAtlantic
Re: Re: Macpac news (tents) on 12/09/2009 17:59:20 MST Print View

"Oh yeah, lucky us...SALE TIME"

You've got a bit of a mean streak in you, don't you.... ;-)

Ken Thompson
(kthompson) - MLife
Macpac news (tents) on 12/09/2009 18:02:14 MST Print View

Taswegians huh? I thought it would have been Tasmaniacs...

Lynn Tramper
(retropump) - F

Locale: The Antipodes of La Coruna
Re: Macpac news (tents) on 12/09/2009 18:21:57 MST Print View

Tasmaniacs
Tasmanites
Taslanders
Tassles
Tassies
Tasites
....

Edited by retropump on 12/09/2009 18:27:27 MST.

Stuart Allie
(stuart.allie)

Locale: Australia
Macpac news (tents) on 12/09/2009 18:35:06 MST Print View

As a Taswegian (the correct term... we'll also accept "superior Australian" :) I have to say I'm impressed with Macpac's effort to revitalise their business. While not specifically targeting lightweight walkers as such they have produced an interesting range of gear.

The new Minaret does look really good. As a very happy Nallo 2 owner I can say that I would have been very tempted had the new Minaret been around when I bought my Hilleberg.

The Macpac eVent range of clothing looks pretty nice too. If I was in the market for a new waterproof jacket I would definitely be considering these.

One other nice bit of clothing (IMO) is their merino long- and short-sleeve shirts. I like merino clothin generally but it can be a bit hot on me. Having a shirt with buttons up the front greatly increases the usable temp range of merino for me. And if I undo all the buttons I can use my pale white skin for stunning wildlife or as an emergency beacon :)

As a member of the main online bushwalking forum for Tasmania it's nice to see that they have added a special forum section for "weight reduction" (ie. discussions of the lightweight approach). People there are definitely becoming more open to the philosophy of LW walking.

Cheers,
Stuart

Franco Darioli
(Franco) - M

Locale: Melbourne
Macpac news (tents) on 12/09/2009 19:37:17 MST Print View

Me cheating?
My pack is too small to fit one of those tents (just kidding...)
Clearly Macpac could have saved some more weight by opting for lighter silnylon however as they are looks to me to be just as waterproof as before, likely lighter when wet * and added some tensile strength (should be harder to tear than standard PU coated nylon)
Franco

*We have had some good rain here so I finally took the opportunity do do a weigh before and after test on some of my tents.
The idea was to let the fly up long enough to get saturated (well you cannot really saturate silnylon) then take them down , give them a shake and pack them up. (whilst it is still raining)
One (polyester ripstop) gained a whopping 60% weight, another (same fabric) gained 31% but was still not saturated (I would expect the same increase as the other) , a TT shelter gained 25% ; a lot of and that was on the guylines( I have extra attached to it) . I missed doing Epic but that can fully saturate as well.
( I have guylines that do not absorb water but prefer to use theTriptease stuff)
I have had the idea for a long time that we quibble over one or two ounces but the difference between two shelters when wet can be well over a pound.

Tony Beasley
(tbeasley) - MLife

Locale: Pigeon House Mt from the Castle
Re: Macpac news (tents) on 12/09/2009 20:37:14 MST Print View

Hi Franco,

>I have no connections with Macpac, but I am a Kiwi after all...

That explains your accent.

Hi Stuart,

>As a member of the main online bushwalking forum for Tasmania it's nice to see that they have added a special forum section for "weight reduction" (ie. discussions of the lightweight approach). People there are definitely becoming more open to the philosophy of LW walking.

There is still along way to go with LW gear in Australia but you are right there has been some progress.

While on MacPac they have recently brought out a nice little tall day pack, it is tall enough to fit a rolled up closed cell foam mat, I got one last weekend and have not tried it out yet. It weighs in at 189g and measures around 50cm tall 20cm wide and 17cm thick. I think the volume is around 20 liters

Tony

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Rear Macpac day pack


Front Macpac day pack


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Hartley F
(backpackerchick) - MLife

Locale: Planet Earth
Fairydown on 12/10/2009 01:07:31 MST Print View

While we're in the neighborhood. I really miss Fairydown. Especially the sleeping bags

Franco Darioli
(Franco) - M

Locale: Melbourne
Macpac news (tents) on 12/10/2009 01:56:44 MST Print View

Fairydown is now a PDF on the Macpac site..
Some of the products still exists but the tents have disappeared (erased before the Macpac takeover)
Macpac have now a largish range of bags with up to date fills and fabrics, however I think they should resurrect the Neve (top bag) with the new materials...
Franco