Which fabric for DuoMid for my expected conditions?
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Elizabeth Camp
(scamp_80) - MLife

Locale: Portland, Oregon
Which fabric for DuoMid for my expected conditions? on 10/20/2009 20:05:58 MDT Print View

I'm interested in a DuoMid as a winter shelter for backpacking and snowshoeing. I'm not sure whether the Cuben or Silnylon would provide better performance in the range of expected conditions. Here's a description of the range conditions I would expect to use the DuoMid in:

--Trips mainly in the Oregon and Washington Cascades; November to early March
--On lower elevation (below 4000 ft) trips there's typically cold driving rain and with nightly lows in the mid- to low- thirties and daily highs in the 40's
--On Higher elevation (4000-6500 ft) trips there is typically very wet snow with nightly lows in the 20's and daily highs in the low thirties. Wind gusts of 30-40mph possible in storms (of course I try to pick a sheltered spot). Rarely are lows in the teens.
--About half of my trips will be "lower elevation" backpacking trips and half will be "higher elevation" snowshoe trips .

Which fabric do you think would fit the bill best? Please briefly explain you reasoning. Thank you for taking the time to answer my question!

Steven Evans
(Steve_Evans) - MLife

Locale: Canada
Re: Which fabric for DuoMid for my expected conditions? on 10/20/2009 20:18:05 MDT Print View

Cuben, because it is the lightest and therefore the best ;)

Actually, I remember reading that Ron from MLD recommends the silnylon for winter conditions. I can't recall why - just that he did. Of course, I grabbed the cuben version and use it all winter...love it.

Michael Fogarty
(mfog1) - MLife

Locale: Midwest
Supermid in Silnylon on 10/20/2009 20:40:13 MDT Print View

I got my Supermid in the yellow silnylon, mainly because of Ron's recommendation for winter usage, and being its the most durable of the 3 fabric choices.

Jason Elsworth
(jephoto) - M

Locale: New Zealand
Snow shovelling on 10/21/2009 00:56:56 MDT Print View

On Ron's site he suggests silnylon, as it is more abrasion resistant for shoveling snow off the sides. I went Silnylon, as I couldn't get me head round spending the extra to save four ounces, but I may be tempted one day:). Also I felt a bit more confident with silnylon for very strong winds - this may or may not be true in practice..

Julian Thomas
(jtclicker) - F
Re: Snow shovelling on 10/21/2009 01:16:51 MDT Print View

I'm about to order a duomid - what is tempting me with the cuben is the lack of sagging more than the weight. How good is silnylon sag problem?

Elizabeth Camp
(scamp_80) - MLife

Locale: Portland, Oregon
DuoMid....silnylon stretch on 10/21/2009 07:08:42 MDT Print View

I thought that the fix for the stretching problem would be just to retension the guylines (or to get some of those bungee cord tensioners that I've read about in the MYOG section).

I was concerned about the "misting" that people often report with silnylon when there is a lot of rain. I don't know how sever this "misting" problem is.

I'm in the rainy Northwest, so rain is frequent.

Andrew Richardson
(arichardson6) - F

Locale: North East
Re: DuoMid....silnylon stretch on 10/21/2009 07:47:01 MDT Print View

I think Ron got some new Silnylon that is supposed to make misting a thing of the past. I forgot what it was called though..

Nathan Baker
(Slvravn) - MLife

Locale: East Coast - Mid Atlantic
Re: Re: DuoMid....silnylon stretch on 10/21/2009 08:26:36 MDT Print View

Its called Shield silnylon. If you Google it you can find Ron's comments about it

Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
Which fabric for DuoMid for my expected conditions? on 10/21/2009 08:45:25 MDT Print View

Go to Facebook and look up Mountain Laurel Designs. Then go to the Discussion Board for a...uh...discussion on the 'new' silnylon....

http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?topic=11521&post=53686&uid=131793047725#post53686

Joe Clement
(skinewmexico) - MLife

Locale: Southwest
Which fabric for DuoMid for my expected conditions? on 10/21/2009 08:56:05 MDT Print View

Facebook. Ick. I refuse to use a social network for gear info. Sorry for the interruption.

Edited by skinewmexico on 10/21/2009 08:57:58 MDT.

Hendrik Morkel
(skullmonkey) - MLife

Locale: Finland
Die, Facebook, DIE! on 10/21/2009 09:01:56 MDT Print View

>>Facebook. Ick. I refuse to use a social network for gear info. Sorry for the interruption.<<

+1. That's what we have the BPL forum for.

Elizabeth Camp
(scamp_80) - MLife

Locale: Portland, Oregon
Sheild silnylon on 10/21/2009 09:36:43 MDT Print View

MLD does have some info on the new Sheild silnylon on their website.

http://www.mountainlaureldesigns.com/fabric.php

Shield looks like it would address my concerns about misting. Silnylon it is!

FYI: I just called thru-hiker.com and discussed the specs on Shield. Thru-hiker will be carrying Shield for those of you MYOG folks (looks like a new bivy with a floor made of Shield will be the next project for me).

Miguel Arboleda
(butuki) - MLife

Locale: Kanto Plain, Japan
Re: Die, Facebook, DIE! on 10/21/2009 09:36:54 MDT Print View

Hmm, well, I just happened to have found 12 very old, dear friends whom I would never have talked to again if it hadn't been for Facebook. It's just too difficult finding people when they live scattered all around the world. Now I talk to them daily and we're all catching up. Plus I can share talk about the outdoors with knowledgeable people who have no interest in the BPL community.

I'm also in the market for a Duomid and the question about whether to get silnylon or cuben has been very much making the decision difficult, especially when so much money is involved.

Elizabeth Camp
(scamp_80) - MLife

Locale: Portland, Oregon
silnylon vs. cuben for Duomid on 10/21/2009 09:45:41 MDT Print View

Miguel,
I emailed Ron and asked about silnylon vs. cuben in the conditions I'd be using the Duomid.

The posters above were correct. He suggested silnylon since it will be less likely to sustain any damage resulting from shoveling snow off the Duomid.

Now that it looks like the misting problem would be minimized with the new shield silnylon, it looks like silnylon would be a better option for my application.

Joe Clement
(skinewmexico) - MLife

Locale: Southwest
Which fabric for DuoMid for my expected conditions on 10/21/2009 10:01:38 MDT Print View

I think misting is way overblown.

Justin McMinn
(akajut) - F

Locale: Central Oklahoma
Re: Die, Facebook, DIE! on 10/21/2009 10:07:35 MDT Print View

"I refuse to use a social network for gear info."

BPL is a social network. We're just obsessed with gear instead of ourselves. =)

Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
Misting on 10/21/2009 10:15:16 MDT Print View

"I think misting is way overblown."

I thought it didn't rain where you are....

Joe Clement
(skinewmexico) - MLife

Locale: Southwest
Which fabric for DuoMid for my expected conditions? on 10/21/2009 10:17:44 MDT Print View

Good point. Well, that explains a lot. But if I did live somewhere where it rained a lot, I would think that a lot of what is called misting may be condensation knocked off by the rain, and I would expect the steeper walls of a mid to minimize that. Theoretically speaking, of course.

Edited by skinewmexico on 10/21/2009 10:22:25 MDT.

Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
Misting on 10/21/2009 10:32:31 MDT Print View

Gotcha.

Joe Clement
(skinewmexico) - MLife

Locale: Southwest
Which fabric for DuoMid for my expected conditions on 10/21/2009 10:36:32 MDT Print View

Raining here today though, I should go throw some tents up in the yard.