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Rick Cheehy
(kilgoretrout2317) - F

Locale: Virginia
Goretex How cold and snowy does it need to be? on 10/16/2009 18:47:03 MDT Print View

Me and the Mrs are about to hit the trail. The high's will be in the 30's, lows in the 20's. One-two inches of snow. Do I need waterproof shoes? In the past I'd wear my old school goretex boots, but I'd rather wear my non waterproof inov8s. What do ya'll think?

Edited by kilgoretrout2317 on 10/16/2009 18:47:47 MDT.

Jeff Jeff
(TwoFortyJeff) - F
Re: Goretex How cold and snowy does it need to be? on 10/16/2009 19:04:16 MDT Print View

Boots are worth it for the traction alone. I don't use mesh trail runners below 40 degrees, but that is just me. If there is snow, it better be a 60 degree spring day :)

Doug I.
(idester) - MLife

Locale: MidAtlantic
Re: Goretex How cold and snowy does it need to be? on 10/16/2009 19:12:59 MDT Print View

I'm getting ready to hit the trail as well, in Dolly Sods, tomorrow. I'm wearing my eVent trail runners (with integrated neoprene over-bootie) with MLD gaiters. Bringing some heavy duty trashbags for deeper water crossings. We'll see how the plan works out!

Greg Mihalik
(greg23) - M

Locale: Colorado
Re: Goretex How cold and snowy does it need to be? on 10/16/2009 19:28:47 MDT Print View

Douglas,
Who's trail runners, with an integrated overboot?

Thanks

Doug I.
(idester) - MLife

Locale: MidAtlantic
Re: Re: Goretex How cold and snowy does it need to be? on 10/16/2009 19:34:45 MDT Print View

@Greg

Hi Greg,

I bought a pair of Saucony ProGrid Razor's. Had them out last weekend and intentionally walked through mud and puddles just below ankle high to test them out and stayed nice and dry. It's cold enough that my feet didn't sweat either, though the hike wasn't that long. This weekend will be a better test, as it'll be raining/snowing most of the day, nice and chilly, and plenty of water/mud on the trail. Might be some spots where the water is above the ankle bone, so I'm bringing the 3mil trash bags for that so I don't have to swap out shoes. Never tried that before, but I figured, what the heck!

Here's a link to the shoes: http://www.saucony.com/ShoeDetails.aspx?gen=m&use=Run&id=1161&rel=1118,1110,1107,1148,1109,1138,1104,1113,1041,1076,1102,1067,1064,1062,1146,1134,1161,1136,1155,1157,1159,1152,1150

Take care,

Doug

Greg Mihalik
(greg23) - M

Locale: Colorado
Re: Re: Re: Goretex How cold and snowy does it need to be? on 10/16/2009 19:36:46 MDT Print View

Douglas,
Sweet.
Thanks.

g.

Jack H.
(Found) - F

Locale: Sacramento, CA
Re: Goretex How cold and snowy does it need to be? on 10/16/2009 19:38:52 MDT Print View

How many days are you going out for?

Rick Cheehy
(kilgoretrout2317) - F

Locale: Virginia
Re: Re: Goretex How cold and snowy does it need to be? on 10/16/2009 20:29:32 MDT Print View

Going out for six days, but its in SNP. so we hit civilization every other day. (Restrooms with hand driers!). Snow is only forecast for the first couple of days. I just hate wearing boots now that I've switched. My total pack weight is around 11lbs. Boots seem like such overkill.

Roger Caffin
(rcaffin) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
Re: Goretex How cold and snowy does it need to be? on 10/16/2009 22:39:15 MDT Print View

It's not the snow that will give you problems, its the slush in the daytime. The slush is good at getting your socks wet, and that is bad news.

Suggestion: inov8s, but with largish GoreTex socks on the outside of your warmth socks, to keep them dry. Or just a handfull of breadbags.

Soles - you should crunch through 2" of snow. Sure, there will be a few slippery moments. Nothing is perfect.

Cheers

Jason Elsworth
(jephoto) - M

Locale: New Zealand
Articles on 10/17/2009 01:37:25 MDT Print View

There are a couple of very comprehensive BPL articles that go into this in great detail. Just search for footwear cold. From my memory of them I think the Goretex over sock should work well for the conditions you describe.

Rick Cheehy
(kilgoretrout2317) - F

Locale: Virginia
Re: Articles on 10/17/2009 06:28:14 MDT Print View

Thanks everybody, the took the snow off of the forecast, so I gonna go trial runner/bread bag.
See yall on the other side.

Ken Bennett
(ken_bennett) - F

Locale: southeastern usa
re: shoes on 10/17/2009 07:03:02 MDT Print View

I use goretex trail runners in winter, and mesh in the summer. In the shoulder seasons, it's more of a toss-up and depends on the weather forecast. If the forecast is for lows in the 20s and any sort of precip, I wear the w/b shoes and bring tall gaiters (because I always hike in shorts.)

In a fit of idiocy, I let both my mesh and my w/b trail runners get to the point where I HAVE to replace them. So I'm going to the REI sale and see what I can get.

Diplomatic Mike
(MikefaeDundee)

Locale: Under a bush in Scotland
Waterproof trail shoes on 10/17/2009 07:29:22 MDT Print View

I gave up on waterproof trail runners a while ago. As soon as water comes over the top, and it always does, they stay wet!
Much better to use Rocky goretex socks. That way, one pair of shoes can be adapted to suit the conditions. Leave the socks at home in warm weather, and carry them with you for marginal conditions. No need to have winter and summer shoes when the same pair can do both.

Hendrik Morkel
(skullmonkey) - MLife

Locale: Finland
Re: Waterproof trail shoes on 10/17/2009 07:36:53 MDT Print View

@ Mike, great minds think alike!

In case you can't get Rocky GoreTex socks, try the Trekmates Amphibian GoreTex socks.

The article mentioned is this one: Lightweight Footwear Systems for Snow Travel Part 1 - 3. Highly recommended reading.

Frank Deland
(rambler)

Locale: On the AT in VA
wp socks on 10/17/2009 08:20:58 MDT Print View

The waterproof socks will take the chill/cold shock of having your foot in slush.

Woubeir (from Europe)
(Woubeir) - F - MLife
Re: wp socks on 10/17/2009 10:00:06 MDT Print View

Just to inform everybody who doesn't know: apparantly Rocky did stop making the gore-tex oversocks.

Diplomatic Mike
(MikefaeDundee)

Locale: Under a bush in Scotland
No more Rocky socks? on 10/17/2009 10:18:33 MDT Print View

Are you sure? I'm sure i read on a UK forum that a new supplier was about to start importing them into the UK again.

Woubeir (from Europe)
(Woubeir) - F - MLife
Re: No more Rocky socks? on 10/17/2009 10:25:12 MDT Print View

Yes, I know. I read that same thread. But I have a short cut to someone inside Gore and I asked her wether the socks were still made anymore or not. I thought her answer would be quite clear since they deliver the stuff the socks are made off. Unfortunately she had to tell me that Rocky didn't make them anymore.

If you have any info that tells a different story, I'm always interested because socks from Rocky seemed the best with a wide margin.

Diplomatic Mike
(MikefaeDundee)

Locale: Under a bush in Scotland
Re : No more Rocky socks? on 10/17/2009 10:36:42 MDT Print View

In that case, i'm glad i bought a spare pair when they started getting difficult to find! :)

Steven Inge
(tnis0612) - F
wp socks? on 10/17/2009 13:13:30 MDT Print View

just looked up the trekmates and they are $80!...and if they aren't making the rocky socks anymore can anyone recommend a pair a little cheaper? Thanks.