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Laurence Beck
(beckla) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Updated Gear List on 10/06/2009 13:59:58 MDT Print View

Last February I went through several iterations to reduce my base weight via this forum. I got down to around 16.5 lbs including a Garcia bear cannister. This past summer I hiked the Rae Lakes Loop CC taking 4 days and I was carrying about 25 lbs max. Is this in the ballpark for a late August Sierra trip? I know many of you are hiking the Sierra's. How much are you carrying totally?

Here is my current list:

37 Granite Gear Vapor Trail
42.7 Big Agnes SL1
26 Thermarest ProlitePlus Regular
1 CCF Seat Pad 12x12
35 REI Sahara 30 degF regular
44 Garcia Bear Cannister
13.7 Cooking (Listed below)
9.8 Water (Listed below)
38.9 Clothing (Listed below)
5 First Aid Bug repellant
2 REI Jungle Juice
1.3 Toothbrush/Toothpaste
2 Soap
3 TP
3 Head light
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Total Base Weight 264.4 oz 16.525 lbs

Food 2 oatmeal, 1 Cliff Bar, 1 tuna creation, 1 MH Entrée, 2 coffees approx 16oz/day
Food for four days 60 oz
2L water 70.6 oz
Fuel (4 days) 7.1 oz
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Total Weight 402.1 oz approx 25.13 lbs

Cooking
5.8 Evernew 1100ml titanium
3.9 MSR Pocket Rocket
0.9 BPL Titanium Stove Shield
1.8 Titanium Cup
0.6 Long handled titanium spoon
0.7 Measuring cup
============================== 13.7 oz

Water Handling
3.1 6L Water Tank
3.8 2 – 1 L water bottles
2.9 32oz Klear Water
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9.8 oz

Clothing
5.8 Driducks Rain Jacket
9.5 MB Down Inner Parka (XL)
8.0 MB Down Inner Pants (XL)
3.3 Beanie/Glove Liners
2.6 extra pair uw
2.6 extra pair socks
5.8 extra shirt
2.0 Nylon Camp shoes
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38.9 oz

Scott Bentz
(scottbentz) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Some Differences on 10/06/2009 15:42:22 MDT Print View

I carry the same stuff, just lighter:

GG Mariposa Plus 19 oz. (-18 oz)
WM Summerlite 32º 19 oz. (-16 oz)
GG The One 19 0z. (-23.0) I also use a Spinn Twinn at 9 oz. to save more
Torsolite Pad 10 oz. (-16 oz.)
Bearicade Weekender 31 oz (-13 oz.) Rented, not owned.

Right there I have saved 89 ozs. or 5.5 lbs. Of all the items you have I would first get a lighter bag, pad and canister. I like the Vapor Trail but there are lighter options out there.

There are other places like 6L water bladder? and some kitchen items. If you are hiking solo or cooking solo you can use lighter or smaller pots, etc.

On a short trip you won't notice the weight that much. On longer trips it gets multiplied due to the amount of food required to leave the trailhead. Most people can get a good first aid kit and toilitries together for about 10 oz.

Scott

Edited by scottbentz on 10/06/2009 15:49:52 MDT.

Laurence Beck
(beckla) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Incredible but costly on 10/06/2009 18:12:44 MDT Print View

Scott,

Thanks for the feedback. Ashley Simpson told me last spring that the Vapor Trail was a stepping stone pack. I guess she was absolutely correct. Now I just need to save my pennies!

Where do you rent the Bearikade cannister?

Larry

John Davis
(billybooster) - F

Locale: So Cal
Bearikade on 10/06/2009 18:30:12 MDT Print View

Can be rented direct from the bearikade folks; just pick a size! :)

Art ...
(asandh) - F
Re: Bearikade on 10/06/2009 18:49:44 MDT Print View

For those wanting to go as light as possible, Bearikade also makes the "Scout" model. Its in their pdf brochure but not shown on their web page. It is basically the Weekender model but 2 inches shorter.

Scout - 1.75lb - 8in(ht) x 9in(dia) - $195
Weekender 1.90lb - 10in(ht) x 9in(dia) - $225

They rent the weekender, not sure about the Scout.

I can squeeze 5 days of solo food into mine if I'm very careful what I bring.

Edited by asandh on 10/06/2009 22:55:20 MDT.

Backpack Jack
(jumpbackjack) - F - M

Locale: Armpit of California
RE: bear cannister on 10/06/2009 19:58:55 MDT Print View

You might also look at the Bare Boxer bear cannister it is half the size of the Garcia. I have both and since I got the Bare Boxer I have not used my Garcia. The Bare Boxer is the same shape just smaller. Type in Bare Boxer on the web and you should be able to find it. If I'm carefull what I pack I can get aprox 3-4 days for 2 guys, and I mean very carefull! Good luck

Scott Bentz
(scottbentz) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Bearicade on 10/07/2009 12:26:55 MDT Print View

The Bearicade can be found at: http://www.wild-ideas.net/. Remember you can rent them.

We used the weekender and found it barely adequate for 7 days (I know, it's called a weekender and that's a long weekend). You really need to pack well to get 7 days in there. When I say barely adequate I mean we also hung for a day to get by on our JMT this summer. The scout would be great for 4 day trips.

As far as the Vapor Trail, I definitely would start with the other gear such as sleeping bag and shelter. There was quite a bit of weight to save there.

Scott

Laurence Beck
(beckla) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
I must be eating light... on 10/08/2009 21:42:09 MDT Print View

I must be eating light on the trail because I got 9 days of food in my Garcia. The Garcia is only 614 cu in while the Bearikade Weekender is 650 cu in (and it weighs 13 oz less than the Garcia).

Backpack Jack
(jumpbackjack) - F - M

Locale: Armpit of California
RE: Garcia on 10/08/2009 22:03:55 MDT Print View

When I use my Garcia I can get enough food for two guys 6-7 days.

Edited by jumpbackjack on 10/08/2009 22:04:34 MDT.

Hart -
(backpackerchick) - MLife

Locale: Planet Earth
Eating Light? on 10/08/2009 23:34:18 MDT Print View

Food 2 oatmeal, 1 Cliff Bar, 1 tuna creation, 1 MH Entrée, 2 coffees

This does sound light unless that is one ENORMOUS tuna creation!

John Davis
(billybooster) - F

Locale: So Cal
not enuff calories if u ask me on 10/08/2009 23:50:24 MDT Print View

mountain house at 300 probably.... not enuff.... eat more, you'll waste away!!

Chris W
(simplespirit) - MLife

Locale: .
Re: Eating Light? on 10/09/2009 05:00:52 MDT Print View

Food

2 oatmeal - 300 cals est
1 Cliff Bar - 260 cals est.
1 tuna creation - 300 est (assuming you mean a StarKist Tuna Creation foil pack)
1 MH Entrée - highest caloric pro pack - 560 cals
2 coffees - if black, negligible calories

Total around 1420 calories. That's less than half what I eat daily in urban life and I'm only 145 lbs. Granted I get intense exercise 6ish days a week so I may not be a fair comparison. Still, on 1400 cals a day I wouldn't have the energy to walk far and I'd suffer from severe hunger pains all day. Definitely not how I'd want to spend several days in the woods.

Laurence Beck
(beckla) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Your math is correct on 10/09/2009 08:22:19 MDT Print View

Chris and Hartleyf,

Your math is correct. The funny thing is that I never feel hungry on a trip. I even find that I have to choke down the cliff bar at lunch. I am 6ft tall and I weigh about 195 lbs so you would think I would be passing out on the trail. Maybe I should change up the diet so it would be more interesting.

Larry

Unknown abc
(edude) - F
"Updated Gear List" on 10/09/2009 08:29:14 MDT Print View

"16oz/day"

dude... I'm 14yrs. old and I eat 20oz. a day when I'm out i nthe wild =p

also I would agree that you need more calories, at least 2000+ for a long day of hiking.

cheers

Edited by edude on 10/09/2009 08:29:44 MDT.

Greg Mihalik
(greg23) - M

Locale: Colorado
Re: Your math is correct on 10/09/2009 08:29:34 MDT Print View

Larry,
How many consecutive days have you been out at 1400 calories per day? How many miles per day?

I can understand 3, maybe 4, days at 15 miles/day, but any more days that that seems pretty amazing.

Even at far fewer miles I would be at a standstill.

Craig W.
(xnomanx) - F - M
Re: Re: Your math is correct on 10/09/2009 09:03:12 MDT Print View

Interesting...
I'm a big guy (6'2" 205) but I find myself eating very little when I backpack, much less than at home.
I've totaled up some trail days I've done and find I often eat 2000 calories if I'm lucky. Most general guidelines state that for my size/activity level I should be eating 3000.
But somehow it works. I've done the JMT as well as and many 50k consecutive days and I feel fine; it's not that I'm able to get away with it for only a day.
I find I just have no appetite in the mountains.
But it works for me...less to carry.

Greg Mihalik
(greg23) - M

Locale: Colorado
Re: Your math is correct on 10/09/2009 11:19:59 MDT Print View

Craig,
This really intrigues me. The science side says somethings has got to give. Input, output, basal metabolism, and all that. The reality side seems to say something different.

Looking at the numbers, if you are doing 50k a day it would seem like 5000 calories expended is not unreasonable. Assuming 2500 basal metabolism says you are 2500 short.

Are you loosing weight across the 10 to 15 days that sort of accounts for this difference? I wasn't interested in eating on an 11 day JMT and unintentionally lost a bunch of weight - roughly the difference between input and output.

I'm not doubting your numbers, just wondering what the explanation is. Mike C! echos similar observations [edit: about needing fewer calories than we would estimate], but doesn't have access to end of course weight loss numbers. Any insights?

Thanks.

Edited by greg23 on 10/09/2009 11:52:43 MDT.

Hart -
(backpackerchick) - MLife

Locale: Planet Earth
Clearly it's enough! on 10/09/2009 12:44:47 MDT Print View

beckla:
Note, I didn't say it wasn't enough only that no wonder it seemed light in weight. For all we know you could be consuming a fair number of calories. We don't know what is in your TUNA SURPRISE -- this sounds like something one could really pack some fat and protein into. (I take it this version isn't full of mayo, though.) Sounds like it works for you. My comment wasn't meant to be a judgement of your diet. Sometimes when I exert myself for days at a time especially at altitude, I have a light appetite. Maybe this is due to adrenaline. Who knows. Then when I get home, I EAT! BTW, have you tried Probars?

In the case of the 14 year old boy, hardly a shocker. Sedentary 14 year old boys often go through a seemingly enormous quantity of food. You are fueling a growing body and taking on some serious activity. Good on you for being so into this at 14! :)

In terms of metabolism, something will "give"…eventually. I would be interested in whether you have done any month long trips and whether your caloric needs have changed. On average, one needs roughly a 4000 calorie deficit to lose a 1lb of fat. It doesn't surprise me in the least that you maintain good condition for several days on your diet.

Efficiency of movement enters into the equation as well! Some people on the trail walk like elephants. Some move like gazelles.

Just a side note: An increasing body of research suggests that those who consume fewer calories, generate less free radicals and live longer. (I realize there are confounding factors -- ie. they would be less likely to be overweight!)

Edited by backpackerchick on 10/09/2009 13:23:17 MDT.

Chris W
(simplespirit) - MLife

Locale: .
Re: Your math is correct on 10/09/2009 12:58:40 MDT Print View

I also share a lighter than would seem normal appetite when on the trail. I usually eat equal to what I eat in town despite covering 15-20 mile days over up to 5 day periods. With that in mind, I also always hit up a nice big meal on the way home (2-3k cals) and am always light when I weigh in upon getting home. It usually stabilizes back to normal after a few days back in town. With that said, I'm sure if I were to do a thru-hike my initially suppressed appetite would go through the roof.

Hart -
(backpackerchick) - MLife

Locale: Planet Earth
Big Agnes SL1 on 10/09/2009 13:28:30 MDT Print View

If this isn't too personal (I'm not the interrogating, trash talking, bolt cutting type), how long have you used this tent? What do you think? Can you compare it to similar tents you've used or played with?

Edited by backpackerchick on 10/09/2009 13:33:20 MDT.