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Robert Kelly
(QiWiz) - MLife

Locale: UL gear @ QiWiz.net
Love the design on 04/02/2013 10:02:50 MDT Print View

I've been using a DIY silicone thumb and two finger protector as a pot pincher/grabber, but now I'm inspired to see how light I can make something like your model. Should have some ti around here somewhere . . .

Gary Dunckel
(Zia-Grill-Guy) - MLife

Locale: Boulder
Love the design also on 04/02/2013 10:13:40 MDT Print View

Rob, I think the thickness of your stove wall titanium would be perfect for this. The planet needs this light weight pot grabber! At least I do...

Henk Smees
(theflyingdutchman) - MLife

Locale: Spanish Mountains
Design and craftsmanship is perfect on 04/02/2013 10:45:47 MDT Print View

The first time I read this article (quite a few years ago), the design draw my attention and decided I wanted to imitate same (you all know the old saying about imitation being the sincerest form of flattery) but I never got around of doing so. When I saw it again (yesterday), I decided to start straight away. And...... yes, I’ve already made the first drawing (to be able to calculate the weight and find out whether it would be worthwhile):
Tenazas 2
I’m planning to make it out of stainless steel (thickness: 0,75mm) and it should be much smaller than Bill’s design (small enough to be stored inside my BPL 550SUL Firelite Cookpot); according to the first calculations, it shouldn’t weigh more than 15 or 16 gr (less than 5/8oz).
I’m hoping to make enough holes in the grips, like in the next drawing, to get it under 14gr (1/2oz).
Tenazas 4
Once I’ve made the pot lifter, I’ll post some pictures here.

David Hunter
(mdhunter) - M
titanium pot lifter on 04/04/2013 17:30:13 MDT Print View

I own a Vargo pot lifter, but it is too long and WIDE. If someone can make me one like these drawings, I want to buy one. Someone give me a reason to spend a few dollars!

Bill Fornshell
(bfornshell) - MLife

Locale: Southern Texas
Pot Lifter - MYOG on 04/04/2013 20:30:58 MDT Print View

Henk,

You have come up with a nice "machine age" design.

But I like the sleek, aerodynamic "Rhosgobel Rabbit" speed and magic design of my Pot Lifter.



If you aren't sure what a Rhosgobel Rabbit is check out this link.


Rhosgobel Rabbit

Edited by bfornshell on 04/04/2013 20:40:50 MDT.

Henk Smees
(theflyingdutchman) - MLife

Locale: Spanish Mountains
New "machine age" design :) on 04/05/2013 08:23:28 MDT Print View

Hi Bill,
Although I’d never, ever, heard about the Rhosgobel Rabbit :(, I absolutely LOVE your design. I honestly think it’s beautiful but...... it’s far too large and I want it to be sturdy and light at the same time; that’s the reason (1) I want to make it from Stainless Steel -don't have thick enough titanium- and (2) I had to make my own drawings (design). When I started the first drawings, I got carried away and already made 5. The last one, which at the moment is the lightest (in theory - probably less than 10gr = 0.35oz.), is this:
Tenazas 5
PS - I did read the link you added and the first thing that draw my attention was the “Schipperke”; it’s a very long time ago I saw this breed, native from Holland/Belgium (well, in reality, it’s Vlaanderen - the Flemish region of both countries) for the last time. I left my country 30 years ago and have not been back often.

@David
I don’t think anyone can make a custom-made pot lifter (or anything else) without having the pot as well. At least if you want it to be of “perfect fit”, which is what I would demand.
As I wrote before, once I’ve made my version I’ll post some pictures. If you really like it, you might want to send me an email and I’ll see what I can do for you.

David Hunter
(mdhunter) - M
pot lifter on 04/05/2013 08:30:08 MDT Print View

I realize it wouldn't be a perfect fit. I'm using a Foster's can over a windscreen enclosed fire, and I need a way to get the can off of the fire without burning my fingers. The Vargo lifter works well, but it is over an inch wide.

David Hunter
(mdhunter) - M
Vargo pot lifter on 04/05/2013 08:33:01 MDT Print View

The cargo pot lifter- http://www.outsideoutfitters.com/p-21015-vargo-pot-lifter-utensils.aspx?variantID=51989&gclid=CPaB6ozfs7YCFQTqnAodnkMAyQ

Henk Smees
(theflyingdutchman) - MLife

Locale: Spanish Mountains
One of my first iterations on 04/05/2013 09:27:39 MDT Print View

@David.
Now I understand why you want to have a new pot lifter :) - apart from the Vargo being an inch wide, it’s heavy as well (0.8oz). Made out of Titanium??? Must be really BIG. Mine would be much smaller; as I said before, I want it to fit inside my BPL 550SUL Firelite Cookpot - therefore it can’t be longer than ≈ 8cms (just over 3”).

@Bill
This was one of my first iterations; would that appeal more to you???? :) :)
Tenazas 2
The problem is the weight; the total superficial area would be about 2400mm2, which would mean over 11gr where the last version would be about 2050mm2: "only" 9,5gr :). The holes inside "save" about 0,7gr which isn't much, so I don't know whether it's worthwhile.

Edited by theflyingdutchman on 04/05/2013 09:34:56 MDT.

David Hunter
(mdhunter) - M
pot lifter on 04/05/2013 09:34:01 MDT Print View

Looks Good!! How heavy?

Henk Smees
(theflyingdutchman) - MLife

Locale: Spanish Mountains
Weights on 04/05/2013 12:39:23 MDT Print View

@David,
At the same time (09:34) you posted the question about the weight, I edited my previous post and added these. The only thing that’s not taken into consideration is the 0,?? gram for the “rivet”. Once I’ve finished mine, I’ll have exact figures, but I wouldn’t like to keep using Bill’s post for “private” conversations. BTW- I will post the pictures ,as promised, once mine is finished.

Bob Gross
(--B.G.--) - F

Locale: Silicon Valley
Re: pot lifter on 04/05/2013 12:51:01 MDT Print View

"I'm using a Foster's can over a windscreen enclosed fire, and I need a way to get the can off of the fire without burning my fingers."

Stainless steel wire bail, about 6-8 inches long.

Newton suggests titanium fishing wire.

--B.G.--

Bill Fornshell
(bfornshell) - MLife

Locale: Southern Texas
Re: Re: pot lifter on 04/05/2013 15:16:47 MDT Print View

Hi Henk and others,

I don't mind you posting about your Pot Lifter on this thread. I think this is a good place for it.

When I made that Pot Lifter it was for the big red Trangia Pot that is shown in the first group of pictures at the beginning of the thread. The Pot is somewhere between 1.5 and 1.75 liters. It is used as my snow melting Pot and gets heavy at times.

The Pot Lifter might be large for a smaller Pot but still only weighs 13.3 grams or 0.47 ounces. I have some 0.016" titanium that might make a Pot Lifter like this one weigh about half that of the aluminum one.

The nice thing about being able to "Make Your Own Gear" is making things to "just" the size necessary for what it is used for. Lager Pot Lifter for a larger Pot or a smaller Pot Lifter for a smaller Pot. I have a bunch of different size Pot Lifters.

Henk, I like your newest design but I also liked your first one. When I was playing with my paper patterns I noticed a resemblance to a rabbit profile. I liked that so much I just never changed it.

It makes me smile every time I look at it.

Henk Smees
(theflyingdutchman) - MLife

Locale: Spanish Mountains
Latest version on 04/05/2013 15:41:20 MDT Print View

Hi Bill,

Tenazas 6a

This is my latest design; I think it’s going to stay like this. Having said so, once I leave theory and start with practice, I never know what I end up with :(
After some minor “shavings” and “drilling” the holes in the previous design, the superficial area becomes 2117mm2 so the theoretical weight would be 9,84gr. Adding the “rivet” makes it around 10 gram (0.35oz).

Edited by theflyingdutchman on 04/12/2013 03:47:26 MDT.

Henk Smees
(theflyingdutchman) - MLife

Locale: Spanish Mountains
@ David - PM on 04/10/2013 05:29:17 MDT Print View

Hi David,

I tried to send you a message but I can’t because you haven’t enabled an email address. Please send me a PM - you can find the address in my profile.

Best regards,

Henk (TFD)

Daniel Fish
(daniel@fishfamilypdx.com)

Locale: PDX
... on 04/10/2013 20:47:20 MDT Print View

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Edited by daniel@fishfamilypdx.com on 06/10/2013 09:24:11 MDT.

Henk Smees
(theflyingdutchman) - MLife

Locale: Spanish Mountains
The TFD Pot Lifter on 05/15/2013 13:47:55 MDT Print View

With Bill's permission, here's my version of his design:
My TFD pot grip

Another picture with the length (it's really small):
TFD Grip dimensions

The pot grip "in action":
TFD Pot Grip in action

The TFD pot lifter together with the rest of my "kitchen system" (for reference - the spork is a Lite My Fire Little):
TFD Pot Lifter with the rest of my kitchen system

As I said, it's really small and that makes it very light as well: 7,9gr (0.12oz) (Edit: WRONG - as I explain in the next post, 7.9gr = 0.28oz NOT 0.12oz). It does a good job at lifting my small pot (BPL SUL 550 Ti) with half a liter of water, but a larger pot with more water would be a different matter.

Hope you like it.

Edited by theflyingdutchman on 05/16/2013 01:31:21 MDT.

David Hunter
(mdhunter) - M
The flyingdutchman pot lifter - super light! on 05/15/2013 14:23:13 MDT Print View

That looks outstanding! When can I buy one?

Henk Smees
(theflyingdutchman) - MLife

Locale: Spanish Mountains
Confusion on 05/15/2013 16:35:34 MDT Print View

I made a mistake with the weights I mentioned earlier in my post. Being Dutch, although living in Spain, I think in grams and when I converted these in ounces I trusted my memory - bad thing when one gets old :(. The weight of my TFD Pot Lifter is indeed 7,9 grams, but that is NOT 0.12oz. It's 0.28oz.

The reason I made this mistake was because I'd calculated how much a titanium version of my prototype with a thickness of 0.4mm (0,0157") would be.

A) The weight of my lifter -without the rivet- is 7.9-0.1=7.8gr and the weight of the material I used being 37.7201gr/100cm2, makes the superficial area of the lifter: 7.8/37.7201=20.678cm2.

B) The specific weight of titanium is 4,507 kg/m3 (= 4.507 g/cm3), thus...... a titanium version (at a thickness of 0,4mm) would have a volume of 20.678x0.04=0.827cm3, which would give me a weight of 4.507x0.827= 3.7278grams. Adding the rivet back makes a total of ≈3.83gr and that works out to be the ≈0.12oz I mentioned earlier.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Bill Fornshell
(bfornshell) - MLife

Locale: Southern Texas
Re: The TFD Pot Lifter on 05/15/2013 18:12:37 MDT Print View

Henk,

You did a great job on your Pot Lifter.

This demonstrates how being able to make some of your own gear helps lower your pack weight and now you have a tool made for the job it is being used for.