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Thom Darrah
(thomdarrah) - MLife

Locale: Southern Oregon
JMT speed record attempt on 08/14/2009 08:02:19 MDT Print View

Very well written and honestly insightful, great job.

Aaron Sorensen
(awsorensen) - MLife

Locale: South of Forester Pass
Re: JMT speed record attempt on 08/14/2009 09:50:53 MDT Print View

Michael,
Excelent story.
I am willing to bet it took you longer to write and put the story together than it did to hike the trail?

So who was driving the Prius?


Here is the link to the videos on the trail from Lake Edison to Tuolumne.

http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/forums/thread_display.html?forum_thread_id=23338&skip_to_post=188599#188599

Edited by awsorensen on 08/14/2009 11:16:37 MDT.

Craig W.
(xnomanx) - F - M
Re: Re: JMT speed record attempt on 08/14/2009 10:56:51 MDT Print View

Great write-up, I enjoyed it.
Well done and better fortune on the next one!

Michael Popov
(mpopov) - F

Locale: San Francisco Bay Area
Final Edit on 08/14/2009 13:08:03 MDT Print View

The snapshot of GPS readout before I turned it off three miles before Donahue Pass. The pictures were taken later, so time of day and current elevation are irrelevant. What's relevant is attained elevation gain and loss (interesting that it is the same for until that point, after Donahue it's all downhill). Also relevant is the mileage and speed, and total time and time off the trail.
Elevation gain and lossspeed and time stats

The little bump in the first third of elevation profile is an Island Pass. Was it even a pass?

Edited by mpopov on 08/17/2009 16:23:33 MDT.

Richard Nisley
(richard295) - M

Locale: San Francisco Bay Area
Re: Final Edit on 08/14/2009 13:15:54 MDT Print View

Michael,

Your report was like a window into the soul of a warrior... well done!

Art ...
(asandh) - F
Re: THE GOOD, THE BAD, AND THE UGLY – John Muir Trail speed attempt report. on 08/14/2009 14:32:07 MDT Print View

Michael
an amazing story of an amazing journey.
very entertaining and insightful.

Brett Maune
(bmaune) - F

Locale: SoCal
Re: THE GOOD, THE BAD, AND THE UGLY – John Muir Trail speed attempt report on 08/14/2009 15:44:00 MDT Print View

Awesome TR and attempt Michael! The hardship you endured is very inspiring and motivational. I hope I will be able to push myself as hard as you did on my next attempt. In the future I'd be happy to help you on another supported attempt if you need it.

Brett

Art ...
(asandh) - F
Re: THE GOOD, THE BAD, AND THE UGLY – Michael's Pace Question on 08/15/2009 09:23:25 MDT Print View

I don't understand why you felt the need to push so fast. Was this totally because of Killian coming in Spetember?

Edited by asandh on 07/13/2010 01:24:54 MDT.

Aaron Sorensen
(awsorensen) - MLife

Locale: South of Forester Pass
Re: Re: THE GOOD, THE BAD, AND THE UGLY – Michael's Pace Question on 08/15/2009 18:59:22 MDT Print View

Hey Art
Yes, it was because of the Kilian factor.

Just to let you know I am the one who made the time sheet up.
He did not like what I gave him at first so we took an hour of sleep a day off.
Then in order to make up the time he really wanted it had to be done in 3 chunks.
It was suppose to be the 3 chucks with the added hour of sleep each day, but when he fell short each day of the 80 hour time, he didn't get the recommended amount of sleep.

Hey a push at the end is supposed to be just that, right?


On the other hand, while doing the calculations for him each time, you will like what you see here.

Last year the times were tallied of what I thought he could do.
Instead Michael just tried to beat Sue's times on each segment.
This year I calculated his times and put together the 1st spread-sheet that he didn't like based off last years pace.

I then noticed this year that his hiking pace was almost spot on as last years, so just now I made up another sheet for next year.

I only used his times and did not add up the "Total Time" until the end.

All 3 times, (last years, this years and next years), came up with a time of 87:45.

So if he just does his pace, sleeps the time he should and gets to Yosemite, this is what we are looking at.
if he tries to change it for next year, I quit...Ha ha...

Edited by awsorensen on 08/18/2009 11:13:13 MDT.

Peter Bakwin
(pbakwin) - F
Re: Re: Re: THE GOOD, THE BAD, AND THE UGLY – Michael's Pace Question on 08/15/2009 21:11:32 MDT Print View

Kilian is not going to run the jmt. His crew got bogged down with the permit thing.
PB

Michael Popov
(mpopov) - F

Locale: San Francisco Bay Area
Re: Re: Re: Re: THE GOOD, THE BAD, AND THE UGLY – Michael's Pace Question on 08/17/2009 16:32:29 MDT Print View

"Kilian is not going to run the jmt. His crew got bogged down with the permit thing."

After reading that Kilian had a helicopter flying along on his awesome GR20 attempt,

http://home.comcast.net/~pbakwin/fkt/gr20.html

I vaguely suspect that National Park Service did not like the idea of his crew of 2500 indians (chinese, russians) lining along the JMT and removing the rocks from it as he goes.

Michael Popov
(mpopov) - F

Locale: San Francisco Bay Area
Re: Re: THE GOOD, THE BAD, AND THE UGLY – Michael's Pace Question on 08/17/2009 16:43:42 MDT Print View

"I don't understand why you felt the need to push so fast. Was this totally because of Killian coming in Spetember?
By my calculations you could have averaged under 60 miles a day and beat Sue's time.
What time were you shooting for?"

Art, the Kilian factor was negligible. While running JMT I never thought of him as a contender on this trail judging by the problems he encountered on GR20 (sleepiness and fatigue on the first night, inability to carry loads, longest non-stop run is 110 miles), and was just trying to get the best time I could. I was shooting for 80 hours, but knew that was a far-fetched goal and that's why my pace chart had 3 different paces, 80hrs, 85hrs and 87:45 hrs. I was pretty much spot-on 85 hour pace at Reds Meadow and content with it.

As for Kilian, I would like to see him on JMT and wish him genuine luck, he's a good kid and talented as well. He's got a big future as long as Salomon sticks around.

Michael Popov
(mpopov) - F

Locale: San Francisco Bay Area
Re: Re: THE GOOD, THE BAD, AND THE UGLY – John Muir Trail speed attempt report on 08/17/2009 16:48:54 MDT Print View

"Awesome TR and attempt Michael! The hardship you endured is very inspiring and motivational. I hope I will be able to push myself as hard as you did on my next attempt. In the future I'd be happy to help you on another supported attempt if you need it."

Thank you, Brett! I will definitely keep your help in mind for the future. I hope you found your Storm Dragons for the trail. It'll be colder in September, bring some extra layers! I wish you luck and all the best! Go for the kill!

And thank you everyone for the kind words, I really appreciate your interest and support!

-MP

Aaron Sorensen
(awsorensen) - MLife

Locale: South of Forester Pass
Re: Re: Re: THE GOOD, THE BAD, AND THE UGLY – John Muir Trail speed attempt report on 08/18/2009 11:13:56 MDT Print View

Okay, so it was at first, and that's where the 2 sleeping areas came into play, but once on the trail it is just the best you can do.
If it wasn't for Kilian, I think you would or at least should have stuck to the 3 sleeping areas that worked before.
I'm pretty sure it was Brian Robinson who got to Tuluomne with about 45 minutes of sleep. That's impressive!

Brett Maune
(bmaune) - F

Locale: SoCal
sleep amount on 08/18/2009 14:09:28 MDT Print View

Michael and Aaron, how much total sleep did you plan for? I'm planning (hoping) to sleep twice 4 hours each time but probably will need at least some naps for the final ~1.5 day push. should be fun...

Art ...
(asandh) - F
Re: Sep, 2nd Effort on 08/18/2009 17:27:35 MDT Print View

you're not going for both the supported and unsupported times simultaneously on your 2nd effort are you?

Edited by asandh on 07/13/2010 01:26:13 MDT.

Art ...
(asandh) - F
Another JMT Record Attempt - Jeff Kozak on 08/19/2009 08:34:16 MDT Print View

Jeff will be making a supported record attempt starting Aug 27 from Happy Isles.

Edited by asandh on 07/13/2010 01:27:02 MDT.

Brett Maune
(bmaune) - F

Locale: SoCal
Re: Re: Sep, 2nd Effort on 08/19/2009 10:27:29 MDT Print View

Art, yeah I'm planning to try and break both again. I redid my time sheet and slowed the pace 10%. Hopefully this will increase the margin of error and be a sustainable pace. This time though I plan to still complete the JMT even if another meltdown occurs. At the very least I want to experience what it's like to do the full thing as fast as one can. I'm looking forward to the sleep deprivation part.

Aaron Sorensen
(awsorensen) - MLife

Locale: South of Forester Pass
Re: Re: Re: Sep, 2nd Effort on 08/19/2009 19:44:28 MDT Print View

Brett,
The plan was for to be off 2 times for 5.5 hours each, and then it went down to 4.5.

He got an average of just over 3 each stop. The crash was more from the shoulder than anything.

Good luck with your 2nd attempt.
That last day and a half is a loooonnngggg way without sleep. Make sure you keep your calorie and water intake up during that period. Nothing goes down good by then.
You are also coughing up some nasty JMT crud that has been non stop making everything going down that much harder.


It really is better unsupported when you can just go until you are realizing that stopping would be more beneficial and to just be able to stop right there.

Peter Bakwin
(pbakwin) - F
Re: Another JMT Record Attempt - Jeff Kozak on 08/19/2009 22:23:41 MDT Print View

Kozak has excellent ultra credentials, but I don't know that he has any experience with the obscure discipline of multiday trail records. There's a lot more to this stuff than just being a good runner. Brett is "looking forward" to the sleep deprivation ???? OK...
PB