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Tim Testa
(MichaelRedbeard) - F
Sleeping Linears... on 06/22/2009 16:03:32 MDT Print View

Can anyone recommend some good ones that they think are light and handy so you dont have to wash your sleeping bag as much while hiking the appalachian trail? Also I don't want one that is going to increase the heat of the backpack too much. Something that is light and thin would do me well.

Jim MacDiarmid
(jrmacd) - MLife
Re: Sleeping Linears... on 06/22/2009 16:32:43 MDT Print View

Rather than a bag liner, I wear silk baselayers. I was considering a silk liner, but for one thing, it's a single use item. If that single use it important, and nothing can be substituted, then I can live with it. Another concern was that I read comments from restless sleepers (I am one myself) that they'd get kind of tangled in the liner.

My silk base layers are made by Terramar. They're usually available on Sierra Trading Post, and if you buy them during one of the gazillion sales they're always having, you could probably get a pair for around $35-40 shipped. My mediums weigh 6.5 oz total, vs probably 4-5oz for a liner. They also have the benefit of being dual use. Since they aren't worn on the outside of my clothes, I don't have to worry about them bringing dirt into the bag. And your main concern isn't dirt so much as body oils migrating to the down and reducing its effectiveness. I'm pretty sureI read that even if you wear the the silk baselayers around camp and sweat in them they still prevent this.

Dave Weston
(WSUWESTON) - F

Locale: NW
Base Layer on 06/23/2009 09:54:38 MDT Print View

I also wear silk base layers to bed. I just could not get my liner to stay where I wanted it throughout the night.

Monty Montana
(TarasBulba) - MLife

Locale: Rocky Mountains
Re: Sleeping Linears... on 06/25/2009 20:01:41 MDT Print View

Add another vote for the silk baselayers. I don't wear mine during the day as I'm hiking, only at night and for the express purpose of keeping the sleeping bag clean. Easier to wash them than the bag!

Roger Caffin
(rcaffin) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
Silk Pyjamas on 06/25/2009 20:35:44 MDT Print View

Another vote for silk pyjamas.
MYOG of course!

Cheers

Tom Kirchner
(ouzel) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest/Sierra
Re: Re: Sleeping Linears... on 06/25/2009 21:00:19 MDT Print View

"Add another vote for the silk baselayers. I don't wear mine during the day as I'm hiking, only at night and for the express purpose of keeping the sleeping bag clean."
And me a little warmer.

Plus 1 for silk at night.

Tad Englund
(bestbuilder) - F - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Re: Silk Pyjamas on 06/25/2009 23:19:28 MDT Print View

Roger- you have mentioned Silk MYOG PJ's a number of times how about an article on how to make them- my biggest obstacle is where to find UL quality silk in the states.

Ashley Brown
(ashleyb) - F
Re: Re: Silk Pyjamas on 06/26/2009 01:47:45 MDT Print View

http://www.thaisilks.com

Edited by ashleyb on 06/26/2009 01:48:16 MDT.

Julian Watson
(JulesWatson) - F
Re: Re: Silk Pyjamas on 06/26/2009 03:14:47 MDT Print View

yes Roger c'mon, spill the beans. It might be enough to trip me over the precipice to join !

Roger Caffin
(rcaffin) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
Re: Re: Silk Pyjamas on 06/26/2009 04:12:21 MDT Print View

Score 1 for Ashley. Thaisilks have some nice coloured 8 momme Habotai silk at a very reasonable price. It is very similar to the silk used in many 'silk liners' sold commercially - maybe just slightly better quality.

Pattern? I hacked something up from existing patterns, but trundle down to your nearest sewing shop and ask the lady there to help you find a pattern for either loose pyjamas or a light loose track suit (top and bottom) with hood. The hood is a very good idea for keeping your bag clean. I add socks.

One word of advice: Habotai silk is not super slippery like many synthetics, so don't try to make the pyjamas tight! I made my first pair too tight, using a lycra pattern, and they ... split asunder. :-)

I'll put it on 'the list'.

Cheers

Edited by rcaffin on 06/26/2009 04:12:56 MDT.

Brett Rasmussen
(ascientist) - MLife

Locale: Grants Pass, Oregon
Habotai, 5mm on 06/26/2009 06:46:20 MDT Print View

Bought the Terramar pajamas, but have been disappointed with the durability (they are prone to forming runs in the fabric). I made a some from the 5mm silk which have been great. The weight of the top and bottom that I made is less than 2 ounces. Although I should mention that it can be difficult working with such thin fabric.

Tad Englund
(bestbuilder) - F - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Re: Re: Re: Silk Pyjamas on 06/26/2009 09:07:18 MDT Print View

Ashley, thanks for the link. But I need a little help-
under the Habotai tab what does the 4mm, 8mm (Roger suggested) 15.5 mm mean? I know what the fabric widths are and under stand that- is that a specific weave pattern? if so which is better?

Walter Carrington
(Snowleopard) - M

Locale: Mass.
mm is Momme on 06/26/2009 09:44:11 MDT Print View

The unit of measurement for silk weight is momme, mm, not millimeters. 5 mm is about 0.5 oz/square yard.
http://www.silkduvetguide.com/silk-momme.htm

How transparent are some of the lower weight Habotai silks? Could I make a set of light clothes to wear into trail towns without causing scandal?

Edited by Snowleopard on 06/26/2009 09:45:49 MDT.

Roger Caffin
(rcaffin) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
Re: mm is Momme on 06/26/2009 17:21:14 MDT Print View

Hi Walter

> How transparent are some of the lower weight Habotai silks?
Well, a wet white 8 mm Habotai shirt might go really great in a wet T-shirt contest ... :-)

But a loose shirt of dark colour should be OK. Loose trousers of a dark colour should also be OK. When dry.

Cheers

Edited by rcaffin on 06/26/2009 19:27:17 MDT.