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Ian Rae
(iancrae) - F

Locale: North Cascades
Montbell down Jackets? on 06/01/2009 14:53:13 MDT Print View

I'm looking at the Montbell "permafrost light" down jacket vs the "alpine light" down jacket.

Specs here:

Permafrost

Alpine


As far as I can tell, the difference is the shell material; both fill weights are listed as 4oz. The permafrost is a 30d windstopper fabric, while the alpine is 30d "ballistic" nylon. I'm not familiar with the difference, but the permafrost is $100 and 2.5 oz more.

I'd be using this in the cascades, so if the windstopper is considerably more water resistant, allowing it to be used as a belay jacket, it may be worth the extra cost and weight. Any thoughts?

Rog Tallbloke
(tallbloke) - F

Locale: DON'T LOOK DOWN!!
Re: Montbell down Jackets? on 06/01/2009 15:18:29 MDT Print View

> allowing it to be used as a belay jacket

I just got one of the montbell ballistic shelled down jackets. Lovely bit of kit. If your experience of belaying is anything like mine, you want a tough as old boots jacket like my old Sierra Designs ski number. 1.4KG Big pockets with lots of down well protected by a nylon shell which resembles chainmail.

If you want it, it's yours for $60

Rod Lawlor
(Rod_Lawlor) - MLife

Locale: Australia
Flatiron? on 06/01/2009 16:11:24 MDT Print View

Or you could take your extra $100 and either buy Roger's jacket, or a Montbell Flatiron from Campsaver for $101, inc shipping. It's their alpine synthetic jacket at about 670g (about 22oz)

My experience is that my belay jacket (OR Chaos) is too heavy for hiking, and I prefer too take something lighter, and not so tough.

Ian Rae
(iancrae) - F

Locale: North Cascades
Re: Flatiron? on 06/05/2009 00:15:35 MDT Print View

I have a synthetic belay jacket (OR Chaos) and a Patagonia micropuff pullover (the older, lighter style) but am looking for a lighter down jacket for hiking, skiing, and dry weather trips.

I'm aware of the advantages of synthetic, but there definitely are days where a down jacket would be just fine, esp. if it has some water resistance to the shell. I'm not planning on using this on thru-hikes, but more on shorter trips.

Nick Gatel
(ngatel) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Re: looking for a lighter down jacket on 06/05/2009 00:37:52 MDT Print View

> but am looking for a lighter down jacket for hiking, skiing, and dry weather trips.

I have two favorite light down jackets:

Patagonia Down Sweater (L) at 11.7 oz

Montbell Extremely Light Down Jacket (L) 6.1 oz

The Montbell has no pockets. Very minimalist and warm for the weight.

Rog Tallbloke
(tallbloke) - F

Locale: DON'T LOOK DOWN!!
Re: Re: looking for a lighter down jacket on 06/05/2009 00:59:22 MDT Print View

I just got a Montbell UL down inner jacket off gear swap and it does have pockets. It's a large, and it weighs a bit over 8oz. Very nicely made.

Jack H.
(Found) - F

Locale: Sacramento, CA
Re: Montbell down Jackets? on 06/05/2009 01:39:25 MDT Print View

It's also worth considering the added durability gained by the 2.5oz. Do you want a belay jacket? Are you hard on your gear? Or are you looking for a superlight backpacking jacket?


Another question on Montbell Jackets. I remember hearing that they ran small. Is this still true? I'm a medium in virtually everything. Am I likely a medium in montbell? 5'10'', athletic, 140lbs.

Rog Tallbloke
(tallbloke) - F

Locale: DON'T LOOK DOWN!!
Re: Re: Montbell down Jackets? on 06/05/2009 01:42:08 MDT Print View

Jack, the large is a snug fit on me, but I guess that's good for an inner jacket anyway. If youwant to wear anything else under it apart from a thin top, go for the large.

Jack H.
(Found) - F

Locale: Sacramento, CA
Re: Re: Re: Montbell down Jackets? on 06/05/2009 01:51:24 MDT Print View

Thanks. Are we the same size? I assume so.

Nah, won't likely wear anything under it aside from a top of long underwear and sometimes a 100 weight fleece shirt.

Rog Tallbloke
(tallbloke) - F

Locale: DON'T LOOK DOWN!!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Montbell down Jackets? on 06/05/2009 01:59:10 MDT Print View

You look bigger in your photo. ;-)

I'm 6' 8" 200lb, maybe the medium after all if you are just using a baselayer under.

Ashley Brown
(ashleyb) - F
Re: Re: Montbell down Jackets? on 06/05/2009 02:01:07 MDT Print View

Jack, I am a medium in virtually everything. 6'1" and 160 pounds. I wear a medium in Montbell and definitely wouldn't want a large. I can easily wear a fleece layer underneath, and would be quite happy if it was slimmer around the body because I usually will be wearing with only a base layer. So go for a medium unless you are planning on doing multiple layers (plus base) underneath.

Ashley Brown
(ashleyb) - F
Re: Re: Re: Montbell down Jackets? on 06/05/2009 02:03:04 MDT Print View

ps. I am a similar build to you in your avatar... perhaps a touch slimmer but not much

Rog Tallbloke
(tallbloke) - F

Locale: DON'T LOOK DOWN!!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Montbell down Jackets? on 06/05/2009 02:04:23 MDT Print View

> perhaps a touch slimmer

Miiiaaaaaooowwww!

Ashley Brown
(ashleyb) - F
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Montbell down Jackets? on 06/05/2009 02:09:37 MDT Print View

Rog are you on heat? ;-)

Eugene Smith
(Eugeneius) - MLife

Locale: Nuevo Mexico
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Montbell down Jackets? on 06/05/2009 05:57:09 MDT Print View

Hilarious