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Gary Boyd
(debiant) - F

Locale: Mid-west
Bill... on 06/16/2009 09:01:28 MDT Print View

being a cheap b**tard myself I like the idea of super light / super cheap. I made a mesh fanny pack out of two toy biners and a mesh childs climbing harness sack. Total weight 1.8 oz, enough to carry a trail guide a 2+l Platy and some other odds and ends. Total cost, free...

Edited by debiant on 06/16/2009 09:02:11 MDT.

Jim Colten
(jcolten) - M

Locale: MN
reviving: Super Ultra Light / Super Ultra Cheap on 10/15/2009 13:29:25 MDT Print View

Just thought I'd wake up this topic a bit.

'tis the season to check out my inventory of handwear and it's more than well worn! So it's off to my favorite glove source (the grocery store):

These are fuzzy knit acrylic. Maybe not as warm as possum down but still very effective for 25F-35F @1.5oz and $2.99:
knit gloves

Not exactly PowerStretch although the exterior looks/feels kinda similar, interior kinda fleece like. Should work well when active down into the mid 20's (F again) ... I'll test that on trail the next three days. 1.2oz and $4.99:powerstretch?

Fleece gloves for the downtime when in camp. A whopping 2.0oz and the price has ballooned up to $5.99 but cold hands make time pass SO slowly:
fleece gloves

Now the wind will slice through all those almost like they aren't there ... unless I cover them with MYOG wind shell mitts. These'll also be along on this weekend's hike. They are a prototype made with "beefy" 1.9oz ripstop. 0.9oz and cost almost nothing once you have the things needed to play the MYOG game. I'll likely replace these with mitts made using a pattern from Quest Outfitters:
windshell mitts

Edited by jcolten on 10/15/2009 13:34:43 MDT.

Lucas Boyer
(jhawkwx) - MLife

Locale: 38.97˚N, 95.26˚W
You know you've been in the MYOG Forum too much when.... on 10/16/2009 08:12:22 MDT Print View

This is what BPL/MYOG does to one's shopping habits. I don't go in to a store any longer w/o perusing the shelves for potential UL and Cheap projects. Went to the vacuum cleaner shop for a belt and noticed some baskets of goodies for a $1. So, here I am bumping elbows w/ little old ladies looking for bargains. Like those mitts, I might have enough sil left from my bivy to make a set....?

Larry Dyer
(veriest1) - F

Locale: Texas
Driducks on 10/17/2009 05:57:11 MDT Print View

I noticed earlier in the thread that the price of driducks style ponchos were mentioned. I got one for $7 and some change at the local Academy a couple of months ago. I'll check the price the next time I'm in there to see what they are now.

Frank Deland

Locale: On the AT in VA
Frogg toggs?? on 10/17/2009 08:42:15 MDT Print View

I have a Frogg Toggs pullover. The "fuzz" coating has bunched up like fur or fuzz balls on a wool sweater only much larger. It catches and grabs onto twigs or leaves which is why I gave up using tyvek as a ground cover. Unless frogg toggs have a new smooth material, I would not use it as a ground cover.
For a ground cover I just use a piece of coated nylon just a tab wider than my sleeping bag, or the bottom of a homemade bivy which is silnylon.

Home Depot sells a painter's ground cloth that is easily as thick as Frogg Toggs and can be sewed. I use it when making test patterns. It is probably the heaviest ml, though I cannot remember the exact number.

Lucas Boyer
(jhawkwx) - MLife

Locale: 38.97˚N, 95.26˚W
Foil Heat Blanket on 10/19/2009 10:44:06 MDT Print View

Ran a marathon on Saturday. As always, I kept my thermal foil blanket. Turns out they gave me 2 stuck together. These things are magical for wrapping around cold shoulders and trapping heat. A couple of ideas:

1. Glue a couple velcro ties on for making a nice camp shawl
2. Double fold and tape edges for a groundcloth
3. Line bottom of bivy
4. Keep in first aid kit for emergency.
5. ......Any suggestions?

George Geist
(geist) - M

Locale: Smoky Mountains
Re: Foil Heat Blanket on 10/19/2009 22:11:16 MDT Print View

Hi Lucas,

Check out the BPL Forum "Philmont - Homemade Tents"
for some innovative construction ideas with foil heat blankets

Jim Colten
(jcolten) - M

Locale: MN
reviving (again): Super Ultra Light / Super Ultra Cheap on 03/30/2010 19:52:10 MDT Print View

Found at the same grocery store as the gloves ... pack towels, very absorbent, 10x14 inches (25.4cmx35.6cm), 0.67oz (19 grams), two for $4.99ecotowels

Edited by jcolten on 03/30/2010 19:53:11 MDT.

Countryman _
(noshroud) - F
Re SUC on 03/31/2010 00:36:08 MDT Print View

Hello Bill, I don't know if you are still checking of this thread.

I have read several of your posts and seen your blog. What is this material your have found? I noticed other posts regarding this matter have been completely ignored. If there is a particular reason why you cannot, or are otherwise unwilling to, share this information please make it known so we can stop wondering.

My experience with the GG polycro sheets is that they are great as groundsheets, but very loud and crinkly for most other applications. They are also not very heat resistant; fire burns right through them ( :) ), and the heat from spectra cord rubbing on them is very damaging as well.

Are silnylon seconds inferior in performance. I have heard conflicting answers. Some say it is a cosmetic difference, while others suggest (including RJ) that the silicone impregnation is "uneven" in application. The cost difference can approach 50%.
-------I would wonder how there is such an abundance of seconds of this material, when I see no other material with 2nds offered; there are also few other materials utilizing silicone impregnation.

jerry adams
(retiredjerry) - MLife

Locale: Oregon and Washington
2nds on 03/31/2010 07:50:03 MDT Print View

I've used silnylon 2nds - maybe 4 different tents, 100 nights of camping

I've never noticed any defects.

Maybe there were some cosmetic lines near the edge.

The coating could be uneven, but it's not that big a deal.

Maybe there's less misting with better quality silnylon.

/A .
(biointegra) - MLife

Locale: Puget Sound
Re: reviving (again): Super Ultra Light / Super Ultra Cheap on 04/16/2010 15:13:59 MDT Print View

This might not qualify as SUC, but at least Super-cheap - especially if it is impractical for one to sew (i.e. lacking machine and/or experience and/or time):

ChicoBag rePETe DayPack 20l
5.1 oz. on my scale (5.6 mfr spec.)
Fabric similar to SilNylon, but a PET based recycled!
Reinforced pack-cloth bottom
Daisy chains
Padded shoulder straps
$20 + 1.85 shipping +/-
Neutral colors (yeah for brown!)
1 year warranty
Inside zippered pocket (stows inside when turned inside out)
2 water bottle pockets on the side

Methinks this set of features for the weight and price to be tough to beat. It would be tough to sew something like this for less than $20 in materials, unless you had whole bunch of scrap laying around and miscellaneous hardware. You'd probably spend a mint on shipping for the various components, or on gas driving around finding them.

(click on photo to link to their website)

Chico Bag

Roger Caffin
(rcaffin) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
Re: 2nds on 04/16/2010 15:18:22 MDT Print View

I was told (fwiiw) that very often the problem is that stray gloops of silicone get left behind on the fabric - dripped off the coating machine somehow. Lumps on the surface. Doesn't upset the performance.


Michael Ray
(topshot) - MLife

Locale: Midwest
Re: Super Ultra Light / Super Ultra Cheap on 08/07/2013 21:23:25 MDT Print View

> The material weighs 3.4 ounces a square yard but the total weigh for a decent size pack should be well under one pound. The material is very strong and easy to sew.

The real $$ cost of this pack (the material is from something meant to be thrown away) might be $5.00. I will post more about this material as this project moves forward.

Any chance you can share what this material is yet? I was actually going to make a pack for my son from a dog food bag, but not sure how to get rid of the smell though. Hope you're doing well enough to get hiking again soon.

Troy Ammons
(tammons) - F - MLife
Super Ultra Light / Super Ultra Cheap on 08/08/2013 07:47:17 MDT Print View

FYI - The new driducks Emergency poncho weighs 2.8 oz.
Have 3 of them sitting here.

Jeff McWilliams
(jjmcwill) - M

Locale: Midwest
DriDucks Emergency Poncho on 08/08/2013 13:03:06 MDT Print View

So, can that emergency poncho be sewn and used as a bivy top?

Would it be reasonably breathable? I'm thinking of a cheap bivy to be used under a tarp to protect from misting, and modifying it to have a "stripe" of no-see-um netting down the middle like others have done with Silnylon/M50 bivies to fight condensation.

Troy Ammons
(tammons) - F - MLife
Super Ultra Light / Super Ultra Cheap on 08/08/2013 14:57:35 MDT Print View

I dont see why not. Is the polypor poly fabric or whatever you call it, but it is super thin. No snaps on it or velcro etc. Thats my plan is to make a convertable bivy. Polycro ground sheet, velcro it to the dryducks poncho to make a bivy. As of yet I have never found any glue that would stick to polycro for the velcro. You could do opposites on the poncho so it would close up when you wear it.

I am not sure actually how breathable it is as I have just gotten them.

They are not long enough to cover a pack and the reason I bought 3 to extend one
and try that out.

The edges are hemmed so I guess sewing works.

Edited by tammons on 08/08/2013 15:01:33 MDT.

David Miles
(davidmiles) - F

Locale: Eastern Sierra
Re: DriDucks Emergency Poncho on 08/09/2013 18:28:50 MDT Print View

I first got 2 ponchos to make a bivy. That's when I found a better, lighter version of that fabric. It is green and very easy for MYOG. I now use a little heavier (2.3 oz/sq yd instead of 1.8 oz/sq yd). I would sell my remaining stock until I run out to MYOGers for $2/yd (60" wide). You don't have to cut up a poncho and it's cheaper :)

Michael Ray
(topshot) - MLife

Locale: Midwest
Re: Re: DriDucks Emergency Poncho on 08/09/2013 20:23:55 MDT Print View

Where were you able to purchase the propore fabric, David?

David Miles
(davidmiles) - F

Locale: Eastern Sierra
Re: Re: Re: DriDucks Emergency Poncho on 08/09/2013 20:43:42 MDT Print View

It is similar fabric and I had to buy a HUGE factory roll :)

Steve B
(geokite) - F

Locale: Southern California
Update on 12/13/2013 15:37:24 MST Print View

Any update on using the driducks Emergency poncho material for a bivy top?