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Frank Perkins
(fperkins)

Locale: North East
Neo Air as Frame on 05/30/2009 18:42:08 MDT Print View

I currently use a Nightlight Torso Pad as frame for my ULA Conduit.

Is it possible to use the Neo Air instead? Perhaps partially inflating it in the pack?

Denis Hazlewood
(redleader) - MLife

Locale: Luxury-Light Luke on the Llano Azul
Re: Neo Air as Frame on 05/30/2009 19:17:29 MDT Print View

Mostly not.

Richard Gless
(rgless) - MLife

Locale: San Francisco Bay Area
Neo Air as Frame on 05/30/2009 20:31:54 MDT Print View

I have used my NeoAir partially inflated as a "frame" in my Zpack. It's OK. Can't comment on the Conduit. The NeoAir doesn't work as well as a foam pad or a ThermaRest Prolite as a frame, a least for me.

Matthew Steingass
(Steingass) - F

Locale: Washington
NeoAir as Frame? on 07/06/2009 17:00:15 MDT Print View

NOW THAT MORE AND MORE PEOPLE USE THESE PADS I'D LIKE TO SEE HOW THIS PAD AND OTHER INFLATABLE ONLY PADS WORK FOR PACK WEIGHTS AROUND 20 POUNDS. I'VE TRIED CC FOAM AND ALWAYS WAKE UP AT LEAST 6 TIMES A NIGHT BECAUSE I HAVE GOTTEN USED TO SUCH A SOFT MATTRESS AT HOME. I DON'T THINK A 1 INCH SELF INFLATING PAD WILL BE ENOUGH GIVE EITHER.

Edited by Steingass on 07/06/2009 17:31:11 MDT.

Dan Durston
(dandydan)

Locale: Cascadia
No Frame on 07/06/2009 17:36:19 MDT Print View

I recently did an overnighter with a 16lbs pack weight for my GoLite Lite-Speed (with the internal frame removed) and found it really comfortable. I was amazed. When my Jam2 arrives I anticipate I'll won't be doing anything to create an artificial frame besides avoiding have an axe jamming me in the back.

Edited by dandydan on 07/06/2009 17:37:01 MDT.

Derek Cox
(derekcox) - F

Locale: Southeast
Re: Neo Air as Frame on 07/06/2009 18:09:41 MDT Print View

I recently used my neoair as a frame for my mld zip and it worked great. Wrap around to form tube, possibly inflate a little to take up desired amount of space, insert gear, if necessary inflate a little more to take up remaining space. Works like a charm.

Edited by derekcox on 07/06/2009 18:11:18 MDT.

Dan Durston
(dandydan)

Locale: Cascadia
Volume on 07/06/2009 18:12:41 MDT Print View

It seems like that would hog quite a bit of your packs volume. No?

Matthew Steingass
(Steingass) - F

Locale: Washington
NeoAir as Frame on 07/06/2009 19:01:12 MDT Print View

I can go frameless with my Ion too but when my Exodus arrives It will probably need a little support. It's good to hear it has worked for others. Hopefully the medium will be comfy enough for by itself for 3 seasons and warm enough for mild winters under my modified 3/8" thinlight.

Edited by Steingass on 07/06/2009 19:05:20 MDT.

Derek Cox
(derekcox) - F

Locale: Southeast
Re: Volume on 07/06/2009 19:56:05 MDT Print View

It can take up a lot of volume or none. If your pack is pretty full the need for air to form a frame is less than if it has very little gear in it, so the absence of air in the pad is not really detrimental. The air just fills whatever space is left that your gear does not take up to make a more rigid pack, and thus a virtual frame.

Edited by derekcox on 07/06/2009 19:57:14 MDT.

Kimberly Wersal
(kwersal) - MLife

Locale: Western Colorado
Re: Neo Air as Frame on 07/06/2009 20:49:25 MDT Print View

I can't say about the NeoAir, but I use my Montbell UL 90 with my Conduit and find that it works very well. I inflate it more or less depending on how full my pack is.