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Rich Hastings
(Hottrod33) - F
Gear List - Most Economical way to reduce on 05/20/2009 18:16:33 MDT Print View

Ok, so the other day I bought a scale to help me analysis my gear weight. Most of this gear I took on the AT in 2002. I'm planning on hiking the Colorado Trail this year and I want to trim down pack weight. (no i'm no where close to being ultralight, at least yet) My pack, sleeping bag and sleeping pad are obviously candidates. So, where can I get the most bang for my buck?

Oz.
Essentials
Moonstone (20deg. Once upon a time) 3#6oz
Them-a-rest (Old School) 2#6oz
North Face Backpack (5lb 1oz w/ top) 4#8oz
Silnylon Tarp 20
Tarp Steaks 6

Cook/Kitchen
Super Cat Alcohol Stove 0.3
Plastic Fuel Bottle 0.5
MSR Aluminum Pot w/ Lid 9

Clothes Packed
Precip Jacket 12.5
Red Ledge Rain Pants 11
Microweight Fleece 7
REI mid-weight poly top 5.25
OR Windstopper Hat 1.5
Bandanna 1
Smartwool Socks (2) 4

Miscellaneous
Camera 6.5
Cell Phone (maybe) 4
MSR Dromedary 4
Camelback 1.5L 4
Gatorade Bottle 1.5
Aqua Mira 3
Pack Cover 5
Petzl 2.5
Toiletry Kit (TP, Hand San., Sunscreen, Tooth paste/brush, floss, vasoline, bug wipes, mini knife, trash bag) 8
Sunglasses/Hat TBD
Guide Book/Map TBD

Total Base Weight (Oz.) 280.6
Total Base Weight (Lb.) 17.5

Worn/Carried
Shorts 6
MH Shirt 4.25
Gaitors 4
Smart wool Socks 2
Leki Super Makalu 22
Chacos (possibly) 35.5

Total Worn/Carried Oz 73.8
Total Worn/Carried Lb 4.6

Edited by Hottrod33 on 05/20/2009 18:59:30 MDT.

Rich Hastings
(Hottrod33) - F
My thoughts so far on 05/20/2009 18:31:15 MDT Print View

The Super Cat Alcohol Stove was a new addition to the gear list. I just recently made it, so far at the house it has worked good. I was carrying the Whisperlite International before. That was a good 1 lb. plus savings.

My old Moonstone synthetic has lost a lot of loft. It is probably a 35 plus bag now. I'm looking at getting the REI Sub Kilo 20deg bag (29oz) from REI Outlet for $115. That will save me 25 oz.

I am also thinking of upgrading to the new Prolite Ther-a-rest (16oz) ~ $70 on Ebay. Appox. 22oz reduction

Between the sleeping bag and pad, that is about 3lbs. savings for under $200

Frank Perkins
(fperkins)

Locale: North East
Re: Gear List - Most Economical way to reduce on 05/20/2009 18:46:06 MDT Print View

That backpack has to go. 5lbs!!!

Ashley Brown
(ashleyb) - F
Re: My thoughts so far on 05/20/2009 18:55:17 MDT Print View

Yes, your best options are to switch out your stove (already), pad, backpack and sleeping bag.

The subkilo is a good cheap bag. There are lighter options, but they are more expensive. A golite ultra quilt is a much lighter option (under 20oz in regular) and good to about 30 degrees I believe. You can get them for about $170 new at the moment.

For a backpack, maybe consider buying a used Granite Gear or Gregory pack off the BPL gear swap. Should cost around $120 and save around 2-3 pounds.

Happy hiking!

Joe Clement
(skinewmexico) - MLife

Locale: Southwest
Gear List - Most Economical way to reduce on 05/20/2009 18:56:24 MDT Print View

Hard to beat GoLite in packs for bang for the buck. Especially if you can find a sale.

A POE Ether Thermo 6 is substantially more comfortable than a ProLite. Don't know about about weight or cost.

Edited by skinewmexico on 05/20/2009 21:43:38 MDT.

Ashley Brown
(ashleyb) - F
Re: Re: My thoughts so far on 05/20/2009 18:56:53 MDT Print View

Another cheap way to drop weight would be to replace your rain jacket with a DriDucks jacket (weighs around 5.5oz and costs about $15... very breathable and waterproof, but not very durable, but only $15!).

Rich Hastings
(Hottrod33) - F
Tell me about it on 05/20/2009 18:57:16 MDT Print View

Yes, I know it is too heavy. It is actually 4.5 lbs. since I generally go without the top. I didn't realize that it was that heavy until I just weighed it. I was thinking it was more like 3.5 lbs. I'll try to clarify that in the post.

I was thinking that I probably should work on getting my pack weight down first. Then once my pack weight is down, then I can get more of an UL pack.

Edited by Hottrod33 on 05/20/2009 19:04:15 MDT.

Walter Carrington
(Snowleopard) - M

Locale: Mass.
Tarp Steaks on 05/20/2009 19:00:01 MDT Print View

"Tarp Steaks 6" Sounds delicious, grilled over a campfire.
Sorry, I couldn't resist :)

Of course the big one is your pack.
Some smaller savings you could consider:

"MSR Aluminum Pot w/ Lid 9" This is a bit heavy. You could either spend $$$ on titanium or use a KMart/Walmart grease pot (~4 oz) or an IMUSA aluminum mug online
https://www.end2endtrailsupply.com/Imusa_Mugs.html
or Hispanic grocery stores often have them.

Rich Hastings
(Hottrod33) - F
KMART Grease Pot on 05/20/2009 19:09:28 MDT Print View

Yes, I read about that. And I actually went into Kmart the other day looking for it. But I couldn't find it in-store. My MSR pot is 1.5L (i really only need about 1L). It is 6oz. w/o lid. Maybe I could just use aluminum foil instead of lid. Although it is nice to sit the hot pot on top of the lid so I can place it on my lap while eating.

P.S. I love Tarp Steaks too, lol

Edited by Hottrod33 on 05/20/2009 19:11:46 MDT.

Shane Stewart
(anacrime) - F
Pack/Bag/Mat on 05/20/2009 19:13:08 MDT Print View

You can easily replace your pack, sleeping bag, and mat and save 6lbs without breaking the bank at all. IMO that's where I'd start.

Ashley Brown
(ashleyb) - F
Re: KMART Grease Pot on 05/20/2009 19:14:46 MDT Print View

You can get cheap pots from anti-gravity gear. Their AGG-brand ones are only about $10 or so, and if you later decide you want to get a caldera cone, you can buy one to fit your pot!

Rich Hastings
(Hottrod33) - F
Backpacks on 05/20/2009 19:27:47 MDT Print View

I had found this Osprey Atmos 50 for $95. 3#1oz.
http://www.rei.com/outlet/product/784291
Ultimately, I would like to get lighter though.

I would love to try on some Granite Gear, Golite... packs. I hate the idea of buying a pack w/o being able to try it on. Apparently I am told that I am borderline between M/L with a 19.5" torso, per REI.

Tom Caldwell
(Coldspring) - F

Locale: Ozarks
Gear List - Most Economical way to reduce on 05/20/2009 19:28:58 MDT Print View

I think the grease pots ceased to exist. I'm holding onto mine, in case they become an ultralight collector item. ;) I'm not parting with my AGG pot either, but it is what I would recommend if you are on a budget. Or, you could shop around and find a Snow Peak mug on sale for about$15-18. 600ml is plenty large for most folks.

I often see those old school Thermarest Ultralights on eBay for $20ish. They aren't very thick, but they are cheap and about 16 oz.

Are you carrying two hydration bladders? You could get a 2L Platypus bottle and carry two gatorade bottles for about 5 oz total.

Edited by Coldspring on 05/20/2009 19:33:37 MDT.

todd harper
(funnymoney) - MLife

Locale: Sunshine State
Re: Gear List - Most Economical way to reduce on 05/20/2009 19:30:39 MDT Print View

I know this ADDS weight, but don't forget a foil windscreen for your cook kit!

Rich Hastings
(Hottrod33) - F
Re: Gear List - Most Economical way to reduce on 05/20/2009 19:39:52 MDT Print View

"I often see those old school Thermarest Ultralights on eBay for $20ish. They aren't very thick, but they are cheap and about 16 oz."

My Therm-a-rest is definitely old school, ~15-20 years old. Still works great, just heavy and it takes up 1/3 of my pack space, arggg. (that is why I think the new prolite would be great, packs small.

Has anyone tried the Prolite 16oz? Is it puncture prone?

Rich Hastings
(Hottrod33) - F
Re: Re: Gear List - Most Economical way to reduce on 05/20/2009 19:43:15 MDT Print View

"I know this ADDS weight, but don't forget a foil windscreen for your cook kit!"

I made a test alum. foil windscreen. Doubled over the top and bottom and punched a few air holes in the bottom.

Will the foil last very long?

Rich Hastings
(Hottrod33) - F
Re: Gear List - Most Economical way to reduce on 05/20/2009 19:54:07 MDT Print View

"Are you carrying two hydration bladders? You could get a 2L Platypus bottle and carry two gatorade bottles for about 5 oz total."

The 1.5L camelback I use for hydration on the go. The Dromedary is about 4L that I use for camp. (a few times on the AT the water soure can be 1/2 mile down the mountain, nobody wants to make that trip twice). But this probably should be looked at.

I guessing your 2L Platypus is w/o a hydration hose?

Edited by Hottrod33 on 05/20/2009 20:04:25 MDT.

Rich Hastings
(Hottrod33) - F
Re: Re: My thoughts so far on 05/20/2009 20:12:31 MDT Print View

"The subkilo is a good cheap bag. There are lighter options, but they are more expensive. A golite ultra quilt is a much lighter option (under 20oz in regular) and good to about 30 degrees I believe. You can get them for about $170 new at the moment."

I tried out the Golite Ultra in the store. I really did love it. (Not 100% sure it will be warm enough in Colorado above 10,000 ft. though.) I've been researching about making my own quilt. But after finding the REI Sub Kilo for $115, it seems hard to pass up. I couldn't buy that amount of down for that price.

I also have a 800 fill Moonstone bag liner (8oz fill weight). I was considering combining this liner with a summer bag/quilt. Then I would have a convertible system. But it would weight more than the 29oz Sub Kilo.

Edited by Hottrod33 on 05/20/2009 20:16:01 MDT.

Michael Ray
(topshot) - MLife

Locale: Midwest
Re: My thoughts so far on 05/20/2009 21:18:27 MDT Print View

> I'm looking at getting the REI Sub Kilo 20deg bag (29oz) from REI Outlet for $115

You must have got the last one.

george carr
(hammer-one) - F

Locale: Walking With The Son
Re: Re: KMART Grease Pot on 05/20/2009 21:47:49 MDT Print View

>I think the grease pots ceased to exist. I'm holding onto mine, in case they become an ultralight collector item.<

The infamous greasepot is alive and well. They do seem to be getting harder and harder to find at the big box stores though.I keep a healthy inventory in stock, so as long as I can help it they'll be available:

https://www.end2endtrailsupply.com/Stanco_Greasepot.html

Edited by hammer-one on 05/20/2009 21:48:47 MDT.