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john king
(johndking) - M
alcohol stoves at philmont? on 05/04/2009 18:58:37 MDT Print View

I'm taking a crew to the Double H high adventure base, which is run by Philmont, in July and am considering taking two white box alcohol stoves vs. a canister stove. Are alcohol stoves allowed at Philmont?

Mack Regan
(JRegan12) - F

Locale: Southwest
Canister on 05/19/2009 09:43:09 MDT Print View

I don't believe they are. I went to Philmont last summer and we just brought 2 whisperlite stoves and a bunch of canisters. We used about 6 canisters in the 12 days. Everyone carried 2 canisters. The food was fine and it was easy to work.

I'd go with the canister.

john king
(johndking) - M
Alcohol Stoves at philmont on 05/20/2009 19:26:55 MDT Print View

Thanks for the advice. I had been in 2005 and used canisters then. Will go that route again this year.

Phil Barton
(flyfast) - MLife

Locale: Oklahoma
Re: alcohol stoves at philmont? on 05/21/2009 21:12:37 MDT Print View

John, I'm less certain about Double H. Are there backcountry commissaries there? At Philmont you resupply every 3-4 days. There's a small trading post at each commissary. We found isopropane fuel canisters available there.

For our 2 crews of 9, each used just over 3 canisters running 2 Windpro stoves for the entire Philmont trek. Our Venturing Crew will do the same this year.

Even if you don't resupply with food at Double H canister stoves seem to be a great solution for Scouts and cooking in large groups. Have a blast at Double H.

John Larson
(j.larson) - F
Please don't waste your time w/alcohol stoves on 09/20/2009 10:12:38 MDT Print View

bye bye

Edited by j.larson on 10/16/2009 06:27:31 MDT.

Greg Mihalik
(greg23) - M

Locale: Colorado
Re: Please don't waste your time w/alcohol stoves on 09/20/2009 10:32:18 MDT Print View

Carefull everybody... c a r e f u l l ......

Deep Breath
Deep Breath

maybe wait an hour or so....

Matt Lutz
(citystuckhiker) - F

Locale: Midwest
Re: Re: Please don't waste your time w/alcohol stoves on 09/20/2009 10:44:07 MDT Print View

@Greg - good words.

Ashley Brown
(ashleyb) - F
Re: Re: Please don't waste your time w/alcohol stoves on 09/20/2009 10:47:44 MDT Print View

Too funny.

Jonathan Boozer
(anywayoutside) - MLife

Locale: South East
Re: Re: Re: Please don't waste your time w/alcohol stoves on 09/20/2009 13:00:22 MDT Print View

huh? what? wow.

Greg Mihalik
(greg23) - M

Locale: Colorado
Re: Please don't waste your time w/alcohol stoves on 09/20/2009 13:08:53 MDT Print View

I would like to personally commend the hundreds of members who have shown admiral restraint over the past few hours.

Keep up the good work.

Thomas Burns
(nerdboy52) - MLife

Locale: "Alas, poor Yogi.I knew him well."
Re: Please don't waste your time w/alcohol stoves on 09/20/2009 13:17:55 MDT Print View

When I read the post in question, I imbibed a bit of stove fuel (I like Everclear), and I felt much better. :vD

Stargazer

P. S. Please do not try this trick with white gas.

John Davis
(billybooster) - F

Locale: So Cal
Evaporation on 09/20/2009 14:49:46 MDT Print View

Doesn't alcohol evaporate when in noisy cannisters? They are like small fish - hey have gills through which they can see....

Doug I.
(idester) - MLife

Locale: MidAtlantic
Re: Re: Please don't waste your time w/alcohol stoves on 09/20/2009 15:28:11 MDT Print View

You shouldn't waste your time with ANY lightweight stove. Yeah, they're light and all, but you can't heat four pots at once AND bake at the same time. I took a HomeEc course in high school years ago. We tried them all. GE is the best. With the light inside so you can see what's baking. That's what I'd take. And a really, really big battery....

todd harper
(funnymoney) - MLife

Locale: Sunshine State
Re: Please don't waste your time w/alcohol stoves on 09/20/2009 15:43:23 MDT Print View

That's interesting :)

RELUCTANTLY biting my tongue......
Must...not....comment...just...leave...it...
alone...

Edited by funnymoney on 09/20/2009 15:47:21 MDT.

Bruce Tolley
(btolley)

Locale: San Francisco Bay Area
Alcohol Stoves at Philmont on 09/20/2009 15:58:37 MDT Print View

Back to the original question.

Our ranger during our 2007 Trek used an alcohol pepsi can stove.

I do not think Philmont prevents anyone from using whatever stove they choose.

What Philmont controls is the fuel they resupply and the types of foods available to cook and therefore the cooking times and quantity of fuel needed.

You would have to do the math so see which was the better tradeoff, carrying alcohol for your entire trek vs resupplying with white case or isobutane canisters at the commissaries. And, as the earlier post noted, The Double H Ranch is not Philmont. The treks are shorter (7 days) and there are probably no backcountry commissaries that sell fuel.

Edited by btolley on 09/20/2009 15:59:57 MDT.

Jim Colten
(jcolten) - M

Locale: MN
Re: Alcohol Stoves at Philmont on 09/20/2009 19:33:18 MDT Print View

Fully realizing that it's a radical suggestion, I still have to suggest that since it hasn't (yet) been definitively answered here perhaps the O.P. could submit the question to Philmont H.Q. and share the response.

Our troop's experience has been that they DO respond ... maybe not in hours, but with nine months b4 the trek there's little rush.

Dean F.
(acrosome) - MLife

Locale: Back in the Front Range
OP was last May on 09/20/2009 20:02:29 MDT Print View

Actually the OP was back in May. The white gas fanboy resurrected the thread- apparently just to annoy us. :o) The Philmont trip in question has probably been and gone already...

Edited by acrosome on 09/20/2009 20:04:24 MDT.

Greg Mihalik
(greg23) - M

Locale: Colorado
Re: OP was last May on 09/20/2009 20:08:18 MDT Print View

Deep Breath
Deep Breath....

John Larson
(j.larson) - F
you like that...I GOT MORE on 09/23/2009 11:32:47 MDT Print View

I can't PM you privately because you do not have an email address registered, so this will have to be public.
BPL tries very hard to maintain a friendly environment in the Forums, especially in channels such as these Boy Scout ones. (We are a bit more tolerant in the Chaff channel.)

I am becoming a bit concerned at the very aggressive and abrasive nature of the postings you have made in a number of our channels. I am sure you could phrase them in a more friendly manner? Please.

Cheers
Roger Caffin
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Edited by j.larson on 10/16/2009 06:26:36 MDT.

Thomas Burns
(nerdboy52) - MLife

Locale: "Alas, poor Yogi.I knew him well."
Oy . . . on 09/23/2009 11:38:45 MDT Print View

Sigh.

How about, stop posting and start hiking? ;-)

Or in my case, stop posting and get back to work. ;vD

With great love and respect,

Stargazer