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Jim Colten
(jcolten) - M

Locale: MN
Re: $25 sleeping bag on 01/22/2006 15:58:19 MST Print View

I have one of those. It's a good value for the price.

You can drop about 2oz from the weight by amputating the stuff sack's compression straps ... it's a very tight stuff and they provide little (if any) volume reduction.

But even though I'm a warm sleeper and that bag would need a lot of help to keep me comfortable at 30F .... probably OK at 40F in a tent, perhaps 45F under a tarp if there's a little wind.

But that is not a complaint, it has the side benefit of 'forcing' one towards multi-use clothing. I'll want to have warmer clothing for 30F mornings and sub-40F evenings in camp anyway.

I'm planning on demo-ing it to our scouts as a low cost option for summer backpacking.

Edited by jcolten on 01/22/2006 15:59:00 MST.

Vick Hines
(vickrhines) - F

Locale: Central Texas
Re: Cheapest UL Gear List Challenge on 01/22/2006 19:23:22 MST Print View

Here's another item, $10 + shipping, 3.2 oz.:
This is a 3.2 oz. Tyvek W/B windshirt with a little rain protection. No hood, no zipper flap. Just the thing to wear under a poncho to keep your arms dry or anytime a windshirt is indicated. An alternative to megabucks windshirts.

Edited by vickrhines on 01/22/2006 19:26:25 MST.

Vick Hines
(vickrhines) - F

Locale: Central Texas
Re: ultralight & ultracheap on 01/22/2006 19:36:42 MST Print View

Coathanger 'U' stakes. Cost = $0, Weight = .25 for 6 and 4 inch legs (legs are different lengths). As light as titanium and hold better than 6" skewer stakes.

Vick Hines
(vickrhines) - F

Locale: Central Texas
Re: Cheapest UL Gear List Challenge on 01/22/2006 19:57:38 MST Print View

Sleeping pad:
Coleman green foam, 50" X 20" tapered, Weight = 5.5 oz, Cost = $6 to 10.

R Alsborg
(FastWalker) - MLife

Locale: Southwest
UltraLight Ultra Cheap Sleeping Bag on 01/22/2006 22:49:02 MST Print View

Another sleeping bag contender for the ultra-light & ultra-cheap list is the Lafuma GR Junior 33-Degree Mummy Sleeping Bag. No Tax, No Shipping fee: $29.99

· Temperature rating: 33 degrees Fahrenheit
· Size: 5 feet, 7 inches x 2 feet, 3 inches
· Stuff sack size: 12 x 7 inches
· Weight: 2 pounds, 2 ounces
· Shell: Polyamide
· Lining: Polycotton

A possible consideration for the scouting crowd.

(RavenUL) - F
Re: UltraLight Ultra Cheap Sleeping Bag on 01/23/2006 14:28:00 MST Print View

Dirt cheap -serviceable but not fabulous- backpacks can be made with an XL stuff sack, and some thru-hiker premade shoulder straps... depnding on the size and material of the stuff sack, youve got a bag between 2-3000ci, weight of about 5-10oz, and a cost of about $20. Less if your a good scrounger, like if you pull shoulder straps off of a $2 bookbag from the thrift store.

A Ray-Way type quilt can be made easily skills wise, and if you source your own materials you can make it for about $25-35. About 24oz give or take depending on how its made. Or that MajorSurplus bag for $25.... Or split the difference and "edit" that MajorSurplus bag into a quilt with the help of a seamripper, some scissors, a needle, and a few yards of thread.

A Tyvek Poncho/Tarp from Goodling Outdoor covers your rain gear and your shelter. Im not sure on the weight here, but its gotta be less than 1lbs, and costs $50. You could probably make one for much less.

USGI Surplus sleep mat, $5

A $10 sportshell

WalMart/Athletic Wear track suit - $25 about 1.5lbs

Walmart fleece sweat shirt - $6 (on clearance unfortunatly, Im sure they will have something similar again) about 8oz

Socks (nylon) - $5 each pair

Hollowtop Tire Sandals - $5 or less. Not super easy to make, but they come with a 50,000 mile warranty :)

Pepsi Can Stove - free

Walmart Greasepot - $6

TacoBell Spork - Free

1 liter water bottle - $1.50 or so.

Mora knife 4oz or so - $9 or less - I know there are lighter knives, but for the price, you will not find a better quality knife. It is also fixed blade, which in the event of an emergency situation is HIGHLY desireable.

25ft 550 cord w/ inner core lines- $3

Toss in Vicks coathanger stakes... under 2 oz total. Free.

That list is about $180 or so... and under 10lbs, easily.

Im not sure I missed anything of major significance but I might have. Oh Well.

Edited by RavenUL on 01/24/2006 00:43:02 MST.

Michael Neal
(michaelneal) - F
space bag on 01/23/2006 16:19:34 MST Print View

regarding the $25 sleeping bag, do you think it would be servicable at 20 degrees with a space blanket in reserve for a vapor barrier and a chemical body warmer just in case?

Edited by michaelneal on 01/23/2006 16:20:12 MST.

Michael Freyman
(mfreyman) - MLife
Knife on 01/23/2006 17:40:20 MST Print View

The local Lowe's Home Improvement has the Gerber Ultralight LST for $9.98. Mine weighs in at .5 oz.

.1 oz less than manufacturer's spec.

Edited by mfreyman on 01/23/2006 17:56:02 MST.

Stephen Eggleston
(happycamper) - F

Locale: South Bayish
Cheap Backpack on 01/23/2006 18:12:02 MST Print View

How about this:

Outdoor Products Dragonfly External Frame Youth Pack $39.97 on sale, regular price is $50

Outdoor Products Pinnacle Internal Frame Pack $39.97 on sale, regular price is $60

Euerka! Getaway 2500 Daypack $38.42 regular price

Certainly not free, but thats about 6-7 hours of work at minimum wage!!

Douglas Frick
(Otter) - MLife

Locale: Wyoming
Re: Knife on 01/23/2006 18:54:03 MST Print View

>The local Lowe's Home Improvement has the Gerber Ultralight LST for $9.98. Mine weighs in at .5 oz.

That looks nice; I may pick one up. But you can get an ultra-cheap knife at most swap meets and military surplus stores. Mine is a made-in-China stainless steel 1.5" half-serrated blade (0.6 oz, $2).

Vick Hines
(vickrhines) - F

Locale: Central Texas
3 Seasons Where? on 01/23/2006 19:38:06 MST Print View

How many seasons and where is our target. Much of the country can claim a 30 degree bag as 3 season. I'm in Central Texas and it hasn't gotten below 32 for more than 4-5 days in the last two winters.

If you insist on 20 degrees, most of the ultralight sleeping rigs go out the window - regardless of cost.

(RavenUL) - F
Re: 3 Seasons Where? on 01/24/2006 00:38:14 MST Print View


Jim Colten sort of set the stage with 20deg in MN... however I would agree that 3 season is MOST places does not generally dip into subfreezing, so I dont see much need to define 3 season much below 30degF.

Vick Hines
(vickrhines) - F

Locale: Central Texas
Re: Re: 3 Seasons Where? on 01/24/2006 07:40:44 MST Print View

Isn't Deluth the coldest place in the lower 48? Ice out by July 4? Ice fishing in August? Get than man an igloo!

Michael Neal
(michaelneal) - F
hiking staff on 01/24/2006 20:28:01 MST Print View

Swiss Gear Hiking Staff $9.95 Wal-Mart, 2 poles for $20.

Jim Colten
(jcolten) - M

Locale: MN
Re: 3 Seasons Where? on 01/24/2006 21:15:03 MST Print View

Jim Colten has no problem with the group defining a three season min temp target at 30F ... that would be a four season temp where he was born (south of interstate 10).

As for Duluth ... Duluth ain't particularily cold. If you want cold in MN, go to International Falls, Tower or Embarrass .... especially Embarrass.

Edited by jcolten on 01/24/2006 21:15:40 MST.

Douglas Frick
(Otter) - MLife

Locale: Wyoming
Re: hiking staff on 01/24/2006 22:37:15 MST Print View

>Swiss Gear Hiking Staff $9.95 Wal-Mart, 2 poles for $20.

Those look decent; do you know the weight? I can't find the weight on the 'net.

But sticks are free...and a bamboo pole ($0, 13 oz) makes a great staff. I've used one for several years.

Michael Neal
(michaelneal) - F
bag on 01/25/2006 07:31:43 MST Print View

here is a cheap way to make a sleeping bag, although it seems a bit sketchy to me

Re: hiking staff on 01/25/2006 09:58:04 MST Print View

The Wal-mart/Swiss Gear poles I have weigh 12oz and 11.9oz.

Dale Wambaugh
(dwambaugh) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Re: bag on 01/25/2006 14:01:12 MST Print View

Looks like a Pop Tart for a grizzly :)

I had thought much the same about using one of the Adventure Medical emergency bivvies and a 40F bag like a Lafuma 600. I'd expect it to be sweaty. Might be okay in a desert/low humidity area.

I still need to build a Tyvek bivy and try it.

(RavenUL) - F
Re: Re: bag on 01/25/2006 23:34:45 MST Print View

another option....

dump the tyvek poncho/tarp, and carry a tube tent,an emergency poncho from Coghlans, and a garbage bag (the garbage bag is cut into "Colin's Kilt".)

Not sure on the weight, but you can find all 3 items (if you look around) for less than $10.

That saves $40 from my original list... so thats a gear cost of roughly $140. and the weight might go up, but its still under 10lbs, so Id argue that for purposes, its an insignificant weight increase.

dump the grease pot and replace with a tin can with bailing wire handle. saves $6, and the one I made a minute ago weighs roughly the same as my GreasePot...

Using the Majorsurplus sleeping bag as the price point, and editing the above items on the list, Ive got a base gear price of $115.

Edited by RavenUL on 01/25/2006 23:37:00 MST.