>I can't imagine why stake weight wouldn't be included in shelter weight?

There is only 1 logical reason:

That you don't use stakes at all.

"There is only 1 logical reason:

That you don't use stakes at all."

Then your stake weight would be zero. If you use stakes for your shelter, then surely you should count that weight as part of your shelter weight? Unless you use your spork, toothbrush, trekking poles and chopsticks as stakes, in which case I'm not sure which category you would attribute them too! Hmmm....a new gadget...titanium spake=spork on one end and sharpened stake on the other. And then there's the titanium handled toothstake...

CD Pro lite3 11oz
GG Mariposa plus 22.3oz
GG Nightlight 3.5oz
TT Rainshadow 2 42oz
REI Kilo flash 19oz

94.8
6.1 lbs

This is for me and the Mrs. The tarp tent is like a ballroom, it's heavy but we love it.The nightlight is my backpanel. I may or may not have included stake weights. I'll never tell mwahahahaha!!!

> Then your stake weight would be zero.

Ding ding ding. We have a winner!

6.48lbs:
ULA Ohm 21 oz
Slumberjack 30f bag 41 oz
¾ length CCF 11.25oz
DIY Speer-Type hammock ~20.8 oz
JRB 8x8 tarp 8.85 oz
Aluminum Stakes (2) .7oz

if i didnt have to pay for classes and books id have a nice quilt

OK if taking what I want (not something I have to test) here is my base

Summer/lowlands Spring/Fall/high altitude

Pack Exos 34 33 oz Exos 58 41.8 oz

Bag Phantom 32 22.8 oz BA Zirkel 34 oz

Shelter Seedhouse SL2 47 oz Seedhouse SL2 47 oz

Pad Neo Air reg. 14.5 oz BA IAC long 26.3 oz

Total 7.33 lb 9.32 lb

I will probably replace the bags with a GoLite Ultra 20 but have not used it yet.

Warbonnet BlackBird hammock 30.0

poncho rainfly and pitchkit 14.4

zpack Blast 32 6.6

hip belt with z pack pouches 2.3

Reflextic frame and insulation 8.8

3/8" pad for extra insulation 5.6

No Sniveller quilt 21.2

Total 88.9 oz.

Where I hike I need a kit that is comfortable down to freezing.

I could go lighter if I were willing to sleep on the ground... but.

Below is what I consider my standard 3-season "big 3+1 kit" with all the necessary accessories.


Z-PACKS Blast 18 with cuben raincover, 6.9oz

GoLite Adreniline +40 with BPL medium packliner, 23.1oz

SMD Gatewood Cape (including guylines and stakes) with TiGoat Bivy and Polycryo groundsheet, 21.45oz

3/8" GG CCF Pad cut to 35" length, 2.95oz

Total = 3.4 pounds.

Edit: White Mountains so wet climate down to roughly 32 degrees F.

Edited by JohnnyBgood4 on 04/21/2009 11:52:00 MDT.

Three season-temps 35 to 90 F (1.7 to 32 C) - includes stakes (2), hammock suspension, etc.

SMD - Essence Pack = 19 oz (539 g)
Hennesy Hammock - Adventure Racer = 21 oz (595 g)
Jacks-R-Better - Stealth underquilt = 15 oz (425 g)
Montbell - #3 sleeping bag = 21 oz (595 g)

Total = 76oz = 4 lb 12 oz = 2.15 kg

Edited by markhurd on 04/23/2009 23:59:40 MDT.

Recently relocated from the NE and changing things up for summer in the south, few things on
order, but here goes:

07 MLD Prophet, tricked out - 8oz
BPL UL 90 quilt with stuff sack - 13oz
MLD Serenity shelter - 8 oz
GG Spin solo tarp, seam seated & lines - 7 oz
Stakes - 1.4 oz
Prolite xsmall pad - 8oz
custom foam pad set up - full length - 5 oz

50.4 OZ
3,15 lbs

I don't know that I've ever posted in one of these 'what's your big 3 weight' threads. I've kind of given up on updating my spreadsheet as I don't find much functionality in it anymore but let's dust it off. 3 season, 10 degrees (pushing it) to 50 degrees (any warmer and I switch bags or just take the bivy)

ULA Conduit ('09 version, single belt pocket & handloops!)- 19.0 oz
Mike Stivers hand-made ultra deeeluxe 9 foot tarp (incl 8 stakes & guys)- 11.0 oz
Ti Goat Ptarmigan bivy, with bug netting- 7.0 oz
Western Mountaineering Ultralight- 26.5 oz
Montbell UL 90 pad with pillow- 12.5 oz
Chopped up Gossamer Gear Nightlight torso pad- 2.75 oz

Total weight- 78.75 ounces
Price- maybe $675 after the deals I got?

I guess I could leave the bivy at home sometimes, take one of the pads and not the other sometimes, leave a few stakes and guys home sometimes, or buy a $400 quilt but I don't find myself sweating that extra half pound yet. Maybe when I grind the rest of the cartilage out of my left knee...

I find this thread to be very illustrative, but it would be moreso if folks would mention their presumed locals/terrain/temps. As the gentleman from NFL noted, things like biblical insects can make a big difference.

Summer MT weekend mountain kit:

CCW Ozone (mod.): ~30 oz.
WM Summerlight: 18 oz.
Emerg. Bivy: 4 oz.
MSR E-Wing with rigging: 10 oz.
GG 1/8" full: 2 oz.

4 lbs. (rigging includes lots of cord but no stakes, pack weight includes cut down Z-rest backpad)

"if folks would mention their presumed locals/terrain/temps"

my rig works well to just below 35°, as previoulsy mentioned.
~wearing no additional [cheat] clothing, just hiking pants and tshirt~

of course like anyone else i add a few more ounces of down to get me into the twenties and below.

funny thing about my "locals/terrain/temps" is that I can presumabley use my summer quilt for year-round camping... that is to say it works well in the lower sonoran in the dead of winter, and works well in the 12000' range in the dead of summer. now that's versatile! (well, sort of.. :P)

Absolute Minimum of 30 degrees (F):
Pack: MLD Prophet + Pack cover + Liner = 13.6 oz
Shelter: MLD Grace Solo + Stakes + Poles + MLD SuperLight Bivy = 16.55 oz
Bag: WM Highlite = 16 oz
Pad: GG Thinlight (trimmed) = 3.45 oz
Total = 49.6 oz = 3.1 lbs

If I'm expecting an absolute minimum of 15 degrees (F), then replace the WM Highlite for a Nunatak Arc Alpinist at 20 oz and add a GG Nightlite Torso pad at 3.6 oz for a total of 57.2 oz (3.6 lbs)

Edited by Red_Fox on 04/21/2009 11:44:54 MDT.

Conditions under which gear is used are very important!

Mine are as follows: 3 seasons Cascades, summer in high Rockies. I'm not really happy until I'm up around timberline. In other words, possible freezing nights anytime and possible severe storms, especially in the Rockies. My 80-lb. dog goes with me, so I need a bug-free space for him as well as for myself.

Shelter: Currently Tarptent Squall 2, 36.3 oz. with stakes, including extra side stakes and guylines. This was my first seam-sealing job, so I went a little overboard on the seam sealer. I want to get a Gossamer Gear Squall Classic to save ~10 oz., but with repeated postponements of when these will be back on the market (originally last Dec. or Jan., now June, next ???), I'm no longer counting on it. The alternative is to shoehorn dog and me into a Tarptent Contrail--too small, I know, but at least the Contrail, unlike my last attempt at putting the two of us in a solo tent, has adequate ventilation.

Pack: Six Moon Designs Comet (older version), 27 oz.

Sleeping bag: Western Mountaineering Ultralight Super, 24.6 oz. (size short)

Pad: POE Insulmat Max Thermo (older version of the Ether Thermo), 3/4 length, 16.9 oz. Will replace with Thermarest NeoAir at 9 oz., but only if the latter is equally comfortable.

Total 6.6 lbs. currently, 5.5 lb. with proposed changes. The tent change, one way or another, is definite; the pad is still a maybe.

Edited by hikinggranny on 04/21/2009 12:46:28 MDT.