I KNOW there was a thread about this, but the search function finds nothing, one post about a Starbucks coffee server bladder but that one had no how-to, just the initial a-ha. I have two (and counting) wine box innards to experiment with, but I'd appreciate any ideas- about that big spigot, about inflating and deflating-- or if someone with the keys to the kingdom can point me to the thread I remember, that'd work too. I see the potential but don't know how to get there. Thanks.

using the "find all words" for wine and pillow gave a bunch of hits. I didn't read them all, but this tidbit seemed helpful:

"Jacob,
Yes, the bladders from boxed wine make fine pillows as well as reliable water carriers. And they keep that pleasant, faint overtone of the oak barrels in which the wine was aged. Look for the kind with rubber valves. They look like thick disks. The plastic stopcock-type valve assemblies found on some brands do not come off easily and stop sealing after a few uses. Platypus containers work well, too, and that's what I am using these days."

From Vick Hines in this thread:
http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/forums/thread_display.html?forum_thread_id=1599

There were several other threads too, maybe one of them is what you're looking for. It sounds like the valve type might help answer some of your questions though, good luck!

I don't know why that post didn't come up for me. Thanks!

Edited by erothman2 on 04/09/2009 09:47:20 MDT.

You can get them without the smell and they are bigger.

REI watersack valve cap

http://www.rei.com/product/402150

REI watersack liner

http://www.rei.com/product/402144

Shower adapter (or make gravity or hydration system)

http://www.campmor.com/outdoor/gear/Product___22312