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Carlos Figueroa
(cfigueroa) - F

Locale: Santa Cruz Area
Re: Jardine's suggestions on uphill sleeping on 04/20/2009 09:16:55 MDT Print View

I agree with Ray’s assertion about sleeping with your legs elevated. Personally, I do not look for a gently sloping hill to raise my legs since as I sleep I seem to always slide back down. However, the reason why I use a 3/4-sleeping pad is to put my backpack under my feet and raise them slightly. Speaking from my experience, it makes a tremendous difference in helping to reduce swelling in my feet.

Derek Cox
(derekcox) - F

Locale: Southeast
Re: Re: Jardine's suggestions on uphill sleeping on 04/20/2009 12:14:59 MDT Print View

In regards to having your feet uphill... I specifically make sure not to do this because I always wake up with a huge headache after sleeping this way (head downhill and feet uphill). Perhaps merely elevating your legs but having your head remain level is the best way to go about this so that you reduce swelling in your feet and don't wake up feeling like crap. backpack on one shoulder thing seems kinda dumb to me as it would swing around and, unless you have a ridiculously light load, eventually be very uncomfortable. I see the benefits of doing it sporadically though to help cool your back and air it out.

Rick Dreher
(halfturbo) - MLife

Locale: Northernish California
Re: Jardine's suggestions on uphill sleeping on 04/20/2009 13:07:12 MDT Print View

I do so, somewhat, in hammocks as it keeps me from sliding footward during the night and smashing up against the hammock end, necessitating a struggle to wriggle upward and get stretched out again. Tying the foot end a little higher takes care of this and means a much more comfortable night.

On the ground, when the site is sloped I prefer to have my head uphill, period.

Backpackers can borrow a self-massage technique from long-distance cyclists that I’ve found hugely helpful in bringing tired, swollen legs back to life. Lie down, face up, with your legs elevated against a tree or some other support. Beginning at the ankles, massage each leg, working towards the knees. This helps force accumulated fluid out, presumably including lactic acid.

I don’t know how much science there is behind the technique, but I can testify it’s helped me stop cramping and seems to lessen pain and stiffness the next morning. I’ll sometimes use it on rest stops during the day.

David Bizup
(ScouterInAHammock) - F
Re: Re: Ray Jardine's Suggestions on 04/23/2009 05:29:45 MDT Print View

"Shoulder carry: I was under the impression that a lot of back/neck problems for women and students are caused by always carrying your purse/bookbag on one shoulder."

Yep. And also a double shoulder carry if the pack is too heavy and the weight is too low. It pulls their shoulders back and causes back pain. Another good reason to pack heavier gear / food / water high. Real, honest to goodness, studies relating packs to childhood back problems are easy to find with google.

Frank Deland
(rambler)

Locale: On the AT in VA
water issues on 04/23/2009 07:36:18 MDT Print View

I have noticed after tdrinking a lot of water at once as opposed to sipping causes me to urinate more often. However, although I never had that "dying of thirst" feeling or ever felt dehydrated, I did develop blood in my urine. This was later traced to kidney stones which are caused by dehydration.
One a previous hike I had similar symptoms, but since no pain, and the blood stopped when I finished my hike, I ignored the problem until it happened again and more vigorously. The symptoms can be a sign of bladder cancer, but I was lucky and found that staying hydrated solves the kidney stone problem.So drink up. Keep the color of urine pale!
If you travel or hike from a desret climb into altitude, your intake can change a lot which can also result in stones. It happened to me in my 20s when I went from living in the tropics to living in high mountains.
Apologies for my medical histroy, but it was related to hiking and hydration.

Brett Tucker
(blister-free) - F

Locale: Puertecito ruins
Re: Jardine and Water consumption on 04/23/2009 12:22:15 MDT Print View

>>it can become a real gamble to try to arrive at your next water source on empty.<<

I believe that bit of advice, or at least their actual practice of precision-tuning the amount of carried water, came out of their third and final PCT thru-hike (1994), a southbound hike where they reached the deserts of southern California during the height of the dry season.

Of course, they knew the trail inside and out at that point, knew the terrain, the likely nature of upcoming water sources, knew their daily mileage potential. And one of their overarching goals was to achieve maximum efficiency, to sort of master the art of PCT thru-hiking, to strive as much as possible toward an uncanny perfection.

Drinking your last drop of water upon arrival at the next source would seem to be an understandable symptom of the overriding philosophy, in this case. And it's the sort of irresistible logic that makes for good copy, lest any likeminded aspiring trend-setters forget the personal value of that.

mark henley
(flash582) - F
Water weight in perspective on 05/30/2009 09:48:22 MDT Print View

One shoulder carry would depend entirely on the amount of food and water you needed to carry in addition to Ray's 8 lb pack.

I personally don't like carrying 20 lbs on one shoulder, however 14 lbs is ok.

You need to keep Ray's book in perspective. He's talking about thru hiking or section hiking on a long established trail. On the AT, for example, you usually don't carry more than 4 days of food and a liter of water (not including drought years). Some years you can almost get by with just a filter bottle.

That yields a pack weight of 16 lbs or less.

In Beyond Backpacking he also describes carrying gallons of water over dry sections of the PCT.

I think the point should be made that Water Management is one of the key principals of effective ultralight hiking. Knowing your own body and how it hydrates in different environments is critical. Carry more water than you think you'll need until you feel VERY comfortable with this knowledge.

BTW he also doesn't filter or use water treatment ..... I wouldn't recommend that strategy myself.

Nick Gatel
(ngatel) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
Re: Water weight in perspective on 06/02/2009 03:06:36 MDT Print View

Okay, you are hiking with a UL gear. No filter. But most use chemicals or tablets. You get to your water source just in time, and out of water. Oh, oh the instructions say to wait 4 hours before drinking. Now I don't wait 4 hours every time, but I do wait an hour or two.

So I like to get to my water source with a liter of water minimum. I drink that water, and then fill up the bottles.

Mark McLauchlin
(markmclauchlin) - MLife

Locale: Western Australia
Re: Water weight in perspective on 06/02/2009 06:58:52 MDT Print View

"BTW he also doesn't filter or use water treatment ..... I wouldn't recommend that strategy myself."

I think you will find that Ray does filter, he has a MYOG gravity filter. This is talked about in the book several times so one would assume he uses it.

Cheers