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Jonathan Boozer
(anywayoutside) - MLife

Locale: South East
Youthful Posters on 02/07/2009 22:53:33 MST Print View

Guys I am a little concerned about some of our newer posters who are minors. They seem like intelligent kids, but when they start talking about sleeping in 32 degree weather without a bag I wonder. My concern is for their well-being. There are 2 or 3 of these scouts who have come on heavy posting in the last few months. I know I have pointed out to atleast one other member (through PM, not publicly) that they were speaking with a 14 year old kid. I don't want to impede their education, or my own for that matter. I just don't want them endangering themselves by sleeping out in their backyards in 32 degree weather because someone told them to try it out. What do we as a community do? And what does BPL do as the medium provider?

Jonathan

Nate Meinzer
(Rezniem) - F

Locale: San Francisco
designated minors on 02/07/2009 23:12:36 MST Print View

You could require those under 18 to have an orange, upper-case "m" next to their name when they post. So yours would be like "jonathanb23 - M".

That would let everyone know to treat them accordingly.

Edited by Rezniem on 02/07/2009 23:13:16 MST.

Unknown abc
(edude) - F
"Youthful Posters" on 02/07/2009 23:17:47 MST Print View

C'mon, Nate!(seriuosly?!)

Jonathan, I sent you a PM.

I love being in the ultralight community with you guys, and I am sorry for being so adult-ish.

Just to let yal' know, I would never actually try the bivy thing out except in summer with a realistic backup and bailout(I hope my parents would't lock me out, lol)

-Evan

Nate Meinzer
(Rezniem) - F

Locale: San Francisco
it was a Joke on 02/07/2009 23:21:02 MST Print View

Evan,

The uppercase "m" is already in use for members, which is why Jonathan has one next to his name. Perhaps that bit of dead-pan was above your reading level....naw, I keeed....I keeeed.

As far as only bivying going--ick. I'd much rather have a silk liner than nylon up against my skin, but, you know, Sleep Your Own Sleep, as they don't say.

Unknown abc
(edude) - F
RE:joke on 02/07/2009 23:24:17 MST Print View

My mother has done an excellent job of schooling me(I am homeschoooled for all you lefties who neva' heard of that)
And I actually have the reading level of a college student!

Nate Meinzer
(Rezniem) - F

Locale: San Francisco
Oh boy on 02/07/2009 23:29:54 MST Print View

we got a live one!

You're far too young to be throwing around the word "lefty".

Wait until you're 25 and then decide for yourself that you'd really rather not have healthcare and would instead prefer to be mired in an interminable religious war over an energy commodity that is growing scarcer by the week and also destroying our planet! ;)

Jay Wilkerson
(Creachen) - MLife

Locale: East Bay
Youthful Posters on 02/07/2009 23:29:59 MST Print View

Lefties?? Son go have some Skittles.

Unknown abc
(edude) - F
"Youthful Posters" on 02/07/2009 23:33:32 MST Print View

Alright now, I know that was a bold statement, but I hold my ground - whats said is said. Now, this is BPL, not the Supreme Justice! so lets all just cool down... (lol cheeks and ears turning red).

Jonathan Boozer
(anywayoutside) - MLife

Locale: South East
Re: "Youthful Posters" on 02/07/2009 23:34:29 MST Print View

Evan,

Really the "32 degrees without a bag" was just enough to make me finally post this. I didn't think you were planning on jumping into the backyard with icicles hanging on your toes, but you just never know. As a community and as adults we have responsibilty to keep you educated and safe. I don't want you to be branded so that people treat you differently. If we "brand" people then they start lying to avoid it anyway. I just think we need to be aware not only do minors post, but they can lurk since almost all of our forum is public. I would really just like to see a little awareness. All in all there is no large issue. You seem to be a rather bright guy, but some other young man reading your post might not be.

Unknown abc
(edude) - F
"Youthful Posters" on 02/07/2009 23:37:50 MST Print View

I like M&M's in my GORP, not Skittles, lol.

Hey, thats an awesome idea! A new GORP Thread to take our minds off of my silly posts! lol!

-Evan

Edited by edude on 02/07/2009 23:38:20 MST.

Jay Wilkerson
(Creachen) - MLife

Locale: East Bay
Youthful Wannabe on 02/07/2009 23:44:07 MST Print View

You have nothing but silly Post guy!!!

Unknown abc
(edude) - F
"Youthful Posters" on 02/07/2009 23:52:00 MST Print View

What?
could you edit, I don't understand what you're trying to say to me.

-Evan

Tad Englund
(bestbuilder) - F - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Re: Youthful Posters on 02/08/2009 00:04:13 MST Print View

Jonathan, thanks for your post, I've been thinking the same thing lately. We need to remember that this is an open forum.

Jonathan Boozer
(anywayoutside) - MLife

Locale: South East
Re: Re: Youthful Posters on 02/08/2009 00:06:42 MST Print View

I figure we get 'em smoking now and they'll be ticking you off for years to come ;)

Roger Caffin
(rcaffin) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
Re: "Youthful Posters" on 02/08/2009 00:08:30 MST Print View

Hi Evan

Don't you understand: BPL IS the Supreme Justice (of UL walking) ... :-)

Hang in there, and don't worry too much, Just think two or three times before doing anything too ... different. And of course, the backyard is THE place for experiments!

Here in Oz we still have some people who are adamant that you will perish without big leather boots and full GoreTex rainsuits. Really - you will die! I think that is a faith based thing for them, as they ignore the evidence before their eyes that others don't die. So, feel free to challenge the orthodoxy, but leave yourself an escape hatch (like the rest of us).

Cheers

Kendall Clement
(socalpacker) - MLife

Locale: Southern California
"Youthful Posters" on 02/08/2009 00:35:58 MST Print View

Wow!

I didn't know BPL could be so lively! -LOL- Evan, I teach kids about your age and I try to respect you. But, youth can be, well... stupid. That goes for me when I was your age, and I suspect everyone in this forum at one time or another. I have just a little friendly advice for you:

1) Listen to what these guys are telling you. They have good intentions and your life may depend on it.

2) It's NOT a good idea to throw around political jargon or rhetoric until you understand the politics. You'll make a better impression that way.

Ben 2 World
(ben2world) - MLife

Locale: So Cal
Re: "Youthful Posters" on 02/08/2009 02:04:41 MST Print View

Quoting socalpacker: It's NOT a good idea to throw around political jargon or rhetoric until you understand the politics.


I would even add: leave politics and mindless branding of people entirely out.

Edited by ben2world on 02/08/2009 02:05:24 MST.

Greg Mihalik
(greg23) - M

Locale: Colorado
Re: "Youthful Posters" on 02/08/2009 08:05:19 MST Print View

"But, youth can be, well... stupid."

Adults are much better at hiding intentions and denying the inherent risk about to be undertaken. It is a skill we all have to learn to avoid the wrath of 'the boss', 'the wife', or the 'forum member'.

Honesty is always the best policy, but is often couched in the terms of "considering", "I wonder what would happen if...", and "Maybe". Without those qualifiers other 'adults' tend to become overly concerned, especially if you are venturing outside 'their' sphere of comfort. It's always well intentioned, but sometimes 'overprotective'.

Those of us not used to dealing with 'youth' are to polite to say "What! are you Kidding?!!" Give us time Evan, we'll catch on.

Joe Westing
(pedro87) - F
Re: Re: "Youthful Posters" on 02/08/2009 09:20:28 MST Print View

When I first found this forum (when I was a minor), I thought I knew a lot about backpacking and the outdoors in general. The more time I spend here, I realize that I really know very little - the amount of collective experience on this forum is astounding. They say that as you get older, you realize how little you really know in the scheme of things.

BTW, I am NOT a minor :P

Nate Meinzer
(Rezniem) - F

Locale: San Francisco
Lefties on 02/08/2009 11:17:17 MST Print View

I second what socalpacker says--there is absolutely nothing wrong with being left-handed. For centuries, schoolmasters punished those who were, but we know now that it is a genetic predisposition and should not be disaparaged.

;)