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Justin Chaussee
(judach) - F

Locale: Earth
Adult beverages in the backcountry. on 01/12/2009 23:25:23 MST Print View

When I backpack, I always like to bring along a small flask of "adult 100% de agave type juice" with me. Mostly because it's the easiest type of adult beverage to bring into the wild due to it's potency (you don't need that much) and resiliancy (doesn't need to be kept at a specific temperature or anything). I also really enjoy wine but have never taken it to the backcountry due to the heavy bottle it comes in and you can't really open a bottle of wine and store it in a flask. yuk... My question is, has anyone taken wine into the backcountry? If so, how did you do it? How did it taste/hold-up? I'm sure you can buy an expensive gizmo that is designed for it, but I'm looking for a more homemade/lightweight approach.

Edited by judach on 01/12/2009 23:28:01 MST.

Michael Martin
(MikeMartin) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: North Idaho
Re: Adult beverages in the backcountry. on 01/12/2009 23:31:37 MST Print View

It's not ultralight. And, wine snobs will surely scoff. But...

Some wine is available in boxes instead of bottles. Inside the box is a bladder. Throw away the box. Take the bladder hiking. Enjoy.

The bladder stays airtight so it reduces oxidation of the wine. (Not that oxidation would necessarily ruin any of the "fine" wines I've ever seen available in boxes.) ;)

For a lighter approach, there is always Everclear and Grape Koolaid powder. :)

Edited by MikeMartin on 01/12/2009 23:32:59 MST.

Ashley Brown
(ashleyb) - F
Re: Re: Adult beverages in the backcountry. on 01/12/2009 23:39:49 MST Print View

"Some wine is available in boxes instead of bottles."

Scoff!

Seriously though, red wine is fine in a plastic bottle (for a couple of days) providing you can keep it cool. Temperature is more important than the bottle you keep it in.

If you're not going to drink it all on one night, try splitting it into a couple of smaller bottles so that one can stay sealed.

At night you can chill it by draping a wet cloth over it (the evaporation makes it cold during the night). Keep it cool and it will last longer.

Actually, keeping it in a plastic bladder (eg. platypus) would be better than a bottle, since you can get rid of the extra air.

Edited by ashleyb on 01/12/2009 23:41:04 MST.

cary bertoncini
(cbert) - F

Locale: N. California
wine on 01/12/2009 23:52:40 MST Print View

i brought a nice bottle of merlot repackaged in a platy one time - had it on the 3rd night & it was great

had some that came in small plastic bottles in my JMT resupply box - the wine wasn't quite as good

i'd say a better wine repackaged is the way to go

Justin Chaussee
(judach) - F

Locale: Earth
Re: Re: Adult beverages in the backcountry. on 01/12/2009 23:56:13 MST Print View

I'm not opposed to that at all! I would consider myself a "wine snobb". My great grandfather, grandfather, and father all made wine. I have made wine with my father before. I collect it, study it, enjoy it, and love it. Let me tell you, a TRUE wine snobb won't scoff at anything that tastes good. As long as you enjoy it, there's no shame in it. I laugh at the "wine snobbs" that scoff at the different type of wine people drink. My boss is the steriotype of that. If you didn't spend 100 bucks on it, it must be junk. Meanwhile, I'm enjoying my 10 dollar bottle 1000 times more than he is trying to choke down his 100 dollar bottle... haha..

Back to the subject, I have heard of one company that produces "fine" boxed wine called petit rabbit or something like that, but I haven't tried it. I guess the biggest thing with wine is lightweight storage. It's probably more feasable to stick with the hard stuff... ;-)

Ashley Brown
(ashleyb) - F
Re: Re: Re: Adult beverages in the backcountry. on 01/13/2009 00:14:22 MST Print View

"a TRUE wine snobb won't scoff at anything that tastes good"

Of course not. But show me a cask wine that tastes decent. Here in Aus they sell 5 litre casks for as little as $10. That's $2/litre (about US$1.30/litre)!!

You can get some tasty and respectable wines for $10 a bottle, but not $2 a litre.

It's not the fact that it's "in a box", it's the price. Making decent wine is an expensive business.

But DYOD (drink your own drink)! If you find it tasty and enjoyable then good for you.

Edited by ashleyb on 01/13/2009 00:16:50 MST.

joe newton
(holdfast)

Locale: Bergen, Norway
"Adult beverages in the backcountry." on 01/13/2009 00:20:18 MST Print View

This?

Ashley Brown
(ashleyb) - F
Re: "Adult beverages in the backcountry." on 01/13/2009 00:30:02 MST Print View

That looks like the ticket Joe.

A normal platy will work just as well, providing you keep it out of the sunlight. But obviously it will stain.

That one looks way cooler!

Nick Chen
(fleetparadox) - F

Locale: Socal
Wild Turkey : ) on 01/13/2009 01:45:56 MST Print View

wild turkey

On my last overnighter, I decided to invite some friends who were fledgling campers... to my horror they were willing to not only carry marinated meat, half a bag of CHARCOAL!!!, but also this monster bottle of Wild Turkey. We managed to almost finish the whole bottle that night :) Sometimes having a great time is better than counting your baseweight.

Roger Caffin
(rcaffin) - BPL Staff - MLife

Locale: Wollemi & Kosciusko NPs, Europe
Re: Re: Re: Re: Adult beverages in the backcountry. on 01/13/2009 02:10:43 MST Print View

Hi Ashley

> 5 litre casks for as little as $10
Well, maybe, except that I have never seen one in the last 10 years. maybe I don't look in the wrong places?

I have two 3 L casks of Merlot on the shelf right now, each one about AU$20. Hardys and SQ3. Very nice stuff. And yes, I have drunk quite expensive bottled red in my time - on someone else's budget.

For our American readers: Australian cask red is a very fine drop, and far better than some make out. Apart from the fact that the good brands are GOOD here in Oz, the casks have the advantage that the contents can last a month or more on the shelf while you drink a little each night. The oxygen is strictly excluded, and the contents stay the same down to the last glass.

Cheers
PS: And the washed-out bladders beat the hell out of Platypus bladders on weight, life and price!

Diplomatic Mike
(MikefaeDundee)

Locale: Under a bush in Scotland
Re : Booze in the backcountry on 01/13/2009 02:26:34 MST Print View

Yip, the 3L bladders are the way to go.
What other form of alcohol gives you a pleasant evening 'refreshment', and a pillow to sleep it off? :)

te - wa
(mikeinfhaz) - F

Locale: Phoenix
French Rabbit on 01/13/2009 07:53:23 MST Print View

Justin, its called French Rabbit. http://www.frenchrabbit.com/
It is decent wine, according to taste reviews. I have tried it once, but is only available at one store about 15 miles from me.
OTOH, Target sells a 4-pack of ~.5L wine boxes (think EAS protein drink style) that are easy to use. Basically cardboard with foil type lining.

This time of year is perfect for a ribeye on the coals, and a sweet Shiraz afterwards.
(btw, my Aussie freinds, we get a nice little Shiraz by the "Little Boomey" company. Another fine bargain red is Penfold's "rawson's retreat".
I dont know what y'all think of it, but it works for me @ US $6)

Edited by mikeinfhaz on 01/16/2009 08:39:27 MST.

Ken Helwig
(kennyhel77) - MLife

Locale: Scotts Valley CA via San Jose, CA
Re: French Rabbit on 01/13/2009 09:05:15 MST Print View

Penfolds do make some nice wines. I would recommned carrying wine in a Playtpus. Probably would be good for a couple days max. No matter what, you have air in the Platy and you won't get a perfect seal.

That is why I usually will bring a scotch or maybe a bourbon.

Their are some wine producers that are doing the cardboard route lately. One springs to mind is Vendange. Known more for their 1.5 ltr. bottles. Nice California fruit that is relatively inexpensive.

If any has questions regarding wine, I'm a wine and spirits sales rep. and can give advice if need be.

te - wa
(mikeinfhaz) - F

Locale: Phoenix
adult bevs on 01/13/2009 09:21:53 MST Print View

Well, Justin since you are a tequila snob (as am i) and Ken is a rep/distributor, maybe he can hook us up with one of these beauties: http://www.tequilasource.com/bottles/pics/gran-reserva_1011_r2.jpg

Nate Meinzer
(Rezniem) - F

Locale: San Francisco
You know what's more UL than alcohol on 01/13/2009 09:23:46 MST Print View

Pot.

And not the titanium kind.

Just sayin'.

Though I prefer me some bourbon and will suffer the weight for it.

Jay Wilkerson
(Creachen) - MLife

Locale: East Bay
Adult beverages in the Backcountry on 01/13/2009 09:46:01 MST Print View

I will sacrifice weight by bringing in a few 24oz cans of beer. IMHO worth every oz on a weekend hike. Pt. Reyes is a weekend hike- right?

Thom Darrah
(thomdarrah) - MLife

Locale: Southern Oregon
Adult Beverages on 01/13/2009 10:04:27 MST Print View

Jay,
How about a MYOG project of converting a bear vault to a keg? Design a UL titanium tap and a good seal, you will be set. Being allergic to beer I will leave this project to others.

Adam Rothermich
(aroth87) - F

Locale: Missouri Ozarks
Re: You know what's more UL than alcohol on 01/13/2009 11:12:45 MST Print View

--Though I prefer me some bourbon and will suffer the weight for it.--

I'm in agreement there! My flask makes it on most of my trips. Wild Turkey is good bang-for-the-buck, so to speak. Jeremiah Weed is my all-time favorite though. If you can find some, pick it up :).

Adam

Nate Meinzer
(Rezniem) - F

Locale: San Francisco
Allergic to Beer! on 01/13/2009 12:30:50 MST Print View

Wow. That's terrible to hear. Didn't know such a thing existed. Cold beer in Pt. Reyes would be awesome. I think I'm gonna leave the frameless pack at home and go with an osprey so I can bring some beer. Since I'm leaving later in the day (3pm) or so, shouldn't be hard to get it to camp somewhat cold. I also have a collapsible cooler that works well.

Thom Darrah
(thomdarrah) - MLife

Locale: Southern Oregon
Adult Beverages on 01/13/2009 12:53:17 MST Print View

To be definitive the barley and hops are the issue. Two beers and I will break out in hives, breathing will become restricted and my eyes will swell closed. Not fun.

I could share a humerous and interesting story/experience which involves a bathtub full of ice water.