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(edude) - F
XUL - A new standard for Lightweight Backpacking? on 01/11/2009 11:07:26 MST Print View

http://www.adventurealan.com/2-4_index.htm

I think that this guy is blurring the fine line between backpacking and wilderness survival.

What does everyone else think?

-Evan

Huzefa Siamwala
(huzefa) - M
Re: XUL - A new standard for Lightweight Backpacking? on 01/11/2009 11:14:23 MST Print View

http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/forums/thread_display.html?forum_thread_id=13836

te - wa
(mikeinfhaz) - F

Locale: Phoenix
xul on 01/11/2009 11:15:59 MST Print View

been a while since i have seen that site, thanks for the reminder. i think anyone can do this, with temps above 50° it is completely realistic. He could have shaved off more weight without that heavy caldera cone. or, go cookless meals.
sleep in your clothes, dont get wet, and drink/eat. you really can do this. but, why? 5 lbs is not heavy!
id rather have a few creature comforts, in my experience 1lb of luxuries is worth it.

Edited by mikeinfhaz on 01/11/2009 11:17:01 MST.

Dale Wambaugh
(dwambaugh) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest
XUL??? on 01/11/2009 12:49:44 MST Print View

Alan writes: "Using the above criteria it was harder to get down to Sub-five-pound FSO-BW than I had anticipated. I quickly realized that my primary gear focus was on keeping warm and dry. To do that and stay under weight FSO-BW, I threw out many of the Ten "Essentials" and gear numerous people would consider essential. For instance: compass, knife, [sun hat, sunglasses, sunscreen]*, warm insulating jacket or vest, gloves, spare socks, long pants, TP, toothbrush/toothpaste, and no underwear. I even considered leaving my watch."

Doing an XUL overnighter isn't a big challenge, although my gear list would look quite a bit different than Alan's.

IMHO, when you start challenging systems of any kind, someone is going to get radical.

BUT, I can't see going without essentials like a compass and knife. The clothing selection is more to personal taste and metabolism -- he does have rain gear and insulation. His kit would look odd coming down the trail, but that is just the sort of thing we need to get over for XUL travel.

There are so many things I would do differently-- clothing selection, swap out a poncho/cape shelter, ditch the trekking poles and use a branch, go to cookless meals, etc.


Philosophically, I want to get out to enjoy my time and prefer to be more comfortable. His omission of a sleeping pad caught my attention as much as anything else. In a survival situation, you can insulate with leaves and evergreen boughs, but that runs against leave no trace for regular hiking. And I can't imagine enjoying trying to cover 75 miles in 3 days, where it becomes another sport altogether. Enough of the Rat Race-- don't take it into the woods!

John Whynot
(jdw01776)

Locale: Southeast Texas
Re: XUL??? on 01/11/2009 13:07:36 MST Print View

>>His omission of a sleeping pad caught my attention as much as anything else. In a survival situation, you can insulate with leaves and evergreen boughs, but that runs against leave no trace for regular hiking.

He had a sleeping pad -- a Gossamer Gear Thinlight

Dale Wambaugh
(dwambaugh) - MLife

Locale: Pacific Northwest
Re: Re: XUL??? on 01/11/2009 13:20:46 MST Print View

Missed that one--- he's not as tough as I thought :) Couldn't figure out how he was going to keep his quilt clean and dry.

I'll hold to my point that I want a little comfort and a bit of security--- the ol' compass/map/knife/fire starter/signaling stuff. And I wouldn't go 75 miles in 3 days unless a tribe of undead meat-eating zombies were after me :)

Unknown abc
(edude) - F
RE"XUL - A new standard for Lightweight Backpacking?" on 01/11/2009 16:00:05 MST Print View

>"I think that this guy is blurring the fine line between backpacking and wilderness survival."

Let me rephrase that, I believe he is WALKING the fine line between backpacking and wilderness survival.

If he has so much skill to do XUL, Why not ditch all the gear and go as light as possible?

Ali e
(barefootnavigator) - F

Locale: Outside
"XUL - A new standard for Lightweight Backpacking?" on 01/11/2009 19:04:41 MST Print View

Great point Evan. If I could only have one thing in the backcountry it would be my knife. Alitracker knife

Unknown abc
(edude) - F
RE"XUL - A new standard for Lightweight Backpacking?" on 01/11/2009 19:08:48 MST Print View

Sweet knife, Ali!

Edited by edude on 01/11/2009 19:09:19 MST.

Jay Wilkerson
(Creachen) - MLife

Locale: East Bay
XUL on 01/11/2009 19:11:32 MST Print View

Ali- Why do you need that big of a knife to go backpacking?
Just wondering

Ali e
(barefootnavigator) - F

Locale: Outside
XUL on 01/11/2009 19:16:56 MST Print View

I dont, I carry it when I leave the backpack home. I usually carry a small neck knife like the dogfish when I backpack. I carry the big mother on survival trips but now that I just turned 40 I am getting pretty sick of being cold so my survival trips may be numbered. Still its a pretty amazing knife. Ali

Dave U
(FamilyGuy) - F

Locale: Rockies
Knife on 01/11/2009 19:47:28 MST Print View

We call that an Ax where I come from!

John S.
(jshann) - F
Re: Knife on 01/11/2009 20:00:45 MST Print View

Looks like a machete to me ; ).

Jay Wilkerson
(Creachen) - MLife

Locale: East Bay
XUL-Knife on 01/11/2009 20:17:06 MST Print View

"SurvivorMan" could build a house with that knife.

Craig W.
(xnomanx) - F - M
Re: XUL-Knife on 01/11/2009 21:15:49 MST Print View

Nice looking knife. What is it?
I'm looking for a burly fixed blade for bushcraft.

Ali e
(barefootnavigator) - F

Locale: Outside
XUL KNIFE on 01/11/2009 21:45:01 MST Print View

http://www.hedgehogleatherworks.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=16

It was dersigned by Tom Brown "trackerschool.com" comes in two sizes, I have the small but a third medium will be coming out in the next few months. It works great as an axe but has many more usable features. When I want to go super ultra light I walk out my door with nothing but a knife and a water bottle. It wears horizontal across the small of your back and can be completely consealed as not to freak people out. I've always wanted to the AT with nothing but a knife and a poncho. Once you learn to master fire the rest comes easy. Below is more info on uses for knife.Ali

http://trackertrail.com/trackerknife/TrackerKnifeManual.pdf

Edited by barefootnavigator on 01/11/2009 21:49:35 MST.

Dave .
(Ramapo) - F - M
Bushcraft knife on 01/11/2009 21:46:24 MST Print View

I suggest this one:

http://charlesmayknives.blademakers.com/Knife_Info_Style_B.asp?Ref_Num=2267

Or this one:

http://www.skookumbushtool.com/

They're not light obviously, but they're both reasonably priced for top quality hand made bushcraft knives.

Edited by Ramapo on 01/11/2009 21:47:44 MST.

Doug Johnson
(djohnson) - MLife

Locale: Washington State
Re: XUL - A new standard for Lightweight Backpacking? on 01/11/2009 22:12:52 MST Print View

"I think that this guy is blurring the fine line between backpacking and wilderness survival."

HA! "This guy" is our very own Alan Dixon who co-founded BackpackingLight!

http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/alan_dixon_bio.html

Sure, his level of SUL (XUL- his term) is a bit, uh, wackadoo. But it's not too far out of reality. You just have to have an extremely disciplined gear list, a very specific kit, and the ability to deal with some discomfort. But it's not too far outside of what's reasonable or safe. And I wouldn't call this wilderness survival- that is NOT Alan's strength. This is a backpacking kit.

Fun to think about!
Doug

Unknown abc
(edude) - F
"XUL - A new standard for Lightweight Backpacking?" on 01/11/2009 22:39:53 MST Print View

OOPS!
Sorry Alan!
I hope my backpacking permission isn't revoked! LOL!!! :)

Edited by edude on 01/11/2009 23:04:13 MST.

Chad Miller
(chadnsc)

Locale: Duluth, Minnesota
A staff members aren't infallible. on 01/12/2009 09:12:00 MST Print View

Just because the person in the OP's video is a founding member of this site doesn’t make him infallible or shield him from criticism.

I have received both incredibly insightful and horribly ignorant advice from staff members of this site. Just like with any online advice you need to view everything objectively and then make an informed decision.